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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: Snoopy]
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12/10/08 02:27 PM
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Dustya440
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Hey guys.
I checked the pictures I have showing the location of the cable and it shows it coming through the hole for the christmas tree fastener, just below where the hoses go through for the washer hoses. (just like the above referenced picture)
The cable has a grommet with a long shoulder on it to go through the thickness of the insulation.
Thanks for the thumbs up on the picture!
I'll try to attach some more.
1969 Road Runner J Code
1970 Road Runner VOA
1971 Dart Swinger
1971 Cuda Vert
1973 Duster Pro Street
2003 Z06
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: Dustya440]
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12/10/08 02:34 PM
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Here's another shot.
It's a little dusty from waiting for parts.
1969 Road Runner J Code
1970 Road Runner VOA
1971 Dart Swinger
1971 Cuda Vert
1973 Duster Pro Street
2003 Z06
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: Dustya440]
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12/10/08 10:14 PM
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Hi Guys...Hey Snoopy I'll have to get you some better pics when I took those the camera was too close to the car !!!  ...I trashed those after the original post because of them being so blurry...Anyhow, here's another pic of my bakelite water valve and the two clips..One as already stated holds the cable sheathing in place and the other clip holds the wire itself to adjust the cable end play {R/T specialties has the clips}...  ..Now, there could be a third clip associated with the cable...From what I've seen, if the cable exits by the booster it will then be routed over the top of the booster and is held in place by a clip that fastens to the cowl lip area near the wiper motor then over to the valve...  On the cable itself...I know the B body cable is longer... But if the parts book is showing 2 E-body cables is it possible the difference is wether it's routed to the left or right firewall exit ???  ..
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: screamindriver]
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12/11/08 10:48 PM
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Here is the 1971 E Body cable and previously mentioned firewall grommet, 71" length. The two cables in 1970, perhaps the one had a grommet while the other didn't. Just a thought. It may be that all 1971-74 E body cables should have included the insulating grommet for the cable to exit out of the RH side. My 1970 cable of 71" doesn't have a grommet at all while my spare unit from a '71 with manual brakes does have one? The LH exit under the blower motor may only have been used in 1970. Using care to say may  & waiting for original owners to help clarify. One owner is Tav, I remembered he has a 1970 Challenger whose cable exits under the blower motor. Hey Tav, if you're reading this, and I hope that you have been, 'does your Challenger have manual brakes or a brake booster?' The presence of a hole in the firewwall & a booster in 1970 may or may not be a clue as to correct routing. Another owner is ECS, who is surely very busy these days but who I believe could shed any light for us sometime. Tav, I'll have pics soon of the cable bracket on the LH side of the heater box that guides it along and the black nylon covers to protect the cable on all the lower heater box screw ends.
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: ebodyseast]
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01/12/09 02:40 PM
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Nice to see this post. It's very helpful for us who are in the middle of an E-Body with AC restoration. A lot of the pieces were thrown out over the years.
From my investigation, the 1970 E-Bodies had a two-holed rubber grommet that attached to the firewall and exited below the blower motor. I have recently provided Tom (R/T Specialties) with some of these grommets for reproducing. I had a very difficult time tracking them down in decent shape. Through one hole the cable was routed, and through the other hole (both holes are side-by-side on the same grommet) the vacuum line was routed. I don't mean to be picky, but Dave's white Challenger had the grommet attached the wrong direction. It's mounted from the inside of the car, not from inside the engine compartment.
In 71, that same location only had a grommet for the vacuum line, and was a totally different style. I've found more of these grommets on 71 B-Bodies, as there are more cars available and they used the same style grommet.
I'll need the little hardware that attaches to the water valve bracket and that they cable end attaches to. Thanks for those pictures.
I also heard that reproduction cables were going to be made, but haven't seen them yet.
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: RP's R/T's]
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01/12/09 04:07 PM
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Hi Ron That's great news for A/C owners that these grommets will be available one day soon from R/T Specialties, I'm thinking you've been reading the other two on-going posts I am currently in. Do you mind a few questions? Cool bro.  One goal here has now become to find out: Did all cables exit under the blower motor in '70 - with no hole drilled in firewall on LH side? Did every cable exit at LH firewall near master cylinder in '71 that required a plastic firewall grommet and a hole drilled in firewall? So that a power brake option did not dictate where the cable exits, only the model year change did. One clue may also be the firewall insulation. There is a pre-scribed punchout 'hole' in the piece close to the brake pedal that would provide the hole needed for the cable to be able to exit. So that '70 cars shouldn't have needed to have this hole punched out if the cable wasn't going to pass through it. And Ron, know one has posted info yet on where to get the hold down hardware for the A/C water valve bracket. I think I got my one piece from Tom in the '90's. I'm sure I saw he has the self adjusting clip. We should ask him if he can supply us all the correct parts. Oh Tom!! Could you be there counselor? 
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
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01/13/09 02:16 PM
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Ron,
What may also help this topic along would be to also learn more of those two '70 e bodys you had, what type of brakes did each have?
We might need some examples/pics of '70 power brake cars that the cable exits under the blower motor & no factory hole in LH firewall - conversely - to have examples of manual brake cars that exit near the master cylinder & have a factory hole in LH firewall. I have yet to find one example of each and its the only pattern I see so far.
My July of '70 Hamtramk is the same as your Nov. '69 Hamtramk & Jan. '70 L.A.
so a mid-year or plant change does not seem to bear enough evidence either with just these few for comparison.
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Edit: Bill, just remembered I have one here, its from a '71 Barracuda that had manual brakes and exited near the master cylinder. Mopar p/n 3502374 cast into it. Made of either rubber or a soft vinyl? Overall length: 1 5/8" - head diameter: 1"
Last edited by ebodyseast; 01/13/09 02:44 PM.
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: Snoopy]
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04/26/09 12:00 PM
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I think Bill is correct about the insulated rubber tube that replaces the Christmas tree fastener.
 Not sure why your car wasn't drilled for the hole ebodyseast. It's normally filled with the insulation Christmas tree fastener.
Tav
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: ebodyseast]
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04/26/09 12:17 PM
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One owner is Tav, I remembered he has a 1970 Challenger whose cable exits under the blower motor. Hey Tav, if you're reading this, and I hope that you have been, 'does your Challenger have manual brakes or a brake booster?
Another owner is ECS, who is surely very busy these days but who I believe could shed any light for us sometime.
Tav, I'll have pics soon of the cable bracket on the LH side of the heater box that guides it along and the black nylon covers to protect the cable on all the lower heater box screw ends.
Wow, Great thread! Thanks for the info ebodyseast, it's like Christmas again! I'm liking the power vs. manual brake idea on 70 cars. My 70 Challenger has the grommet with 2 holes for the cable to exit under the blower motor. Unfortunately the cable itself was missing when I got the car, so I can't get a length measurement for you. It's a Hamtramck car SPD August 26 1969, WITH MANUAL DRUM BRAKES.
Anybody talk with Dave at ECS about this yet?
Thanks for the pics! I saved a bunch of those black nylon screw covers off of loose AC boxes while I was at a junkyard.
Tav
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: ebodyseast]
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04/26/09 01:00 PM
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Tav, here is the bracket that was guiding the a/c heater cable as it traveled from the control unit and then along the RH firewall and eventually exiting directly beneath the blower motor.
My box has that bracket too. I wasn't sure what it was for. Here's a pic. So which way does the cable go around the AC box?
Tav
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: screamindriver]
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04/26/09 01:07 PM
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Now, there could be a third clip associated with the cable...From what I've seen, if the cable exits by the booster it will then be routed over the top of the booster and is held in place by a clip that fastens to the cowl lip area near the wiper motor then over to the valve...
Yes, this is correct. I picked up one of those clips at a junkyard just in case. I've definitely seen this clip on 71-74 E bodies. I don't specifically remember seeing it on a 70 model, but it was probably used there also.
Tav
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
[Re: ebodyseast]
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05/04/09 08:51 PM
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Ron,
What may also help this topic along would be to also learn more of those two '70 e bodys you had, what type of brakes did each have?
Tav here, I emailed Ron and this is what he had to say...
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The car built in Hamtramk is a Power Front Disc car and the car built in LA I believe was manual brakes. The latter LA car was parted out a while ago, and I'd need to review some older pictures.
I hope this helps.
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Re: 71 Barracuda Heater Water Valve
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05/05/09 01:43 PM
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Here is an excellent reference photo. The valve simply mounts to the bracket with two cad plated screws, normally included with NOS valve.
The bracket itself, is mounted to the inner fender with what I would guess is a volt reg/anchor head style firewall attaching bolt. Let's ask DW.
Also seen are the two special clips and screw?that attach to the valve bracket. One clip is used to retain the a/c steel line. I have one of these. The other clip is used to secure the blue low pressure cutoff switch wire as it passes along the inner fender. This and the fastener I do not have a would like to find a source for new. How about it DW. Any help on finding a source? 
Thats the picture of an original water valve. Does anyone have a picture or two of the "aftermarket" or superceeded valve installed? I have the later but it doesnt/wont mount correctly without some tweeking.  The one I have is from Four Seasons
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