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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: B1Fish540] #164749
12/18/08 07:49 AM
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The demand just isn't there for P5 heads. I don't think Mopar has produced them in years. Supply is that poor that as I mentioned in a previous post, a local racer running in Pro Stock has his own P5 style head cast locally.

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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: LA360] #164750
12/18/08 08:02 AM
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There was a set of P5's advertised on here last month I believe or it may have been on RJ. Can't find them now so they may have sold. Nice Christmas present for someone!

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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: LA360] #164751
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The demand just isn't there for P5 heads. I don't think Mopar has produced them in years. Supply is that poor that as I mentioned in a previous post, a local racer running in Pro Stock has his own P5 style head cast locally.

AL....




I thought Slawko did their heads AL. Some guys on his team dont know its a small block lol.

Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: Plumb Wired] #164752
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I know Patterson's had a set of castings listed on their garage sale section of their site for quite a while, whether they sold or not, who really knows.
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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: LA360] #164753
12/18/08 05:18 PM
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There were acouple 358 inch P5 complete motors for sale in National Dragster last month?


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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: FASTFISH420] #164754
12/18/08 06:44 PM
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There was a P5 engine complete at the Mopar swapmeet in Indy last year. Most people walked by scratching their heads. Someone asked me what it was. I told them for the size the baddest small block setup going to date. That got repeated several times before I could walk out of hearing range. LOL


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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: Leon441] #164755
12/19/08 09:21 AM
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Paul Ricci has been 8.1 at around 2800# N/A.

Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: FASTFISH420] #164756
12/19/08 10:02 AM
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is your new motor close to the old combonation with more cubes or a whole new combo? what gear and tire are you running to go through at 9300?. are you limited by the class rules. im going to run the ram N/A gforce 10.5 class this year, i think i can be competitive. theres like 3 or 4 cars going high 850s 860s and its a all run field so if i can run 9.0s high 8s i'll be good. i have a good car i just have to refine a few things. hope that motor turns out good for you. MARK.


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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: b1n02cuda] #164757
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i never said i had spray on the car. But i here what your saying, like i said in my first post everything would have to be rite to run those #s. im sure those guys your talkin about have alot of experience and been at it along time, ( i dont know who they are by first names). maybe you thought i thought it was going to be an easy deal, i know no matter how much HP you have you have to get to the ground, i know what the motor made on the dyno, i also know we could have got more from it, but after 10 pulls and all day there we decided it was enough and were happy.i put the motor in the car and after a little testing it showed good #s and theres still alot i have to iron out. so if i hit those #s this year, great! if not i'll come back hard next year, doesnt make those guys any less knowledgable. like you said everything has to be rite, track,weather,tuneup etc. and hard work. we dont have a track on long island, i got to travel 3 hrs to atco just to test! sometimes i only get 2 runs and you cant learn hardly anything. so it might take 3 years! take care.


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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: kingdust] #164758
12/19/08 03:46 PM
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is there anyone out there that has or is using any of the new (5.7, 6.1 or stroked)hemi for drag racing only in a lighter car than the LX cars with success?

Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: SHEPP] #164759
12/19/08 06:50 PM
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Do you guys consider the new hemis small blocks? Just wondering every ones opinions.


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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: kingdust] #164760
12/19/08 07:20 PM
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is your new motor close to the old combonation with more cubes or a whole new combo? what gear and tire are you running to go through at 9300?. are you limited by the class rules. im going to run the ram N/A gforce 10.5 class this year, i think i can be competitive. theres like 3 or 4 cars going high 850s 860s and its a all run field so if i can run 9.0s high 8s i'll be good. i have a good car i just have to refine a few things. hope that motor turns out good for you. MARK.




Completely new build,new heads,block,cam,valvetrain,The only part I kept was the crank and I am re-using the rods.

The 9300rpm was with the old old motor.I use either a 5.13 or 5.38,with a 29.5 10.5 stiff tire.I usually shift at around 8700 to 9000...conveter will flash almost 8000 off the brake.


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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: HotRodDave] #164761
12/19/08 11:03 PM
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Do you guys consider the new hemis small blocks? Just wondering every ones opinions.





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well....depends on your definition of a small-block....

you're looking aftermarket block for strength.....

a P5 head probably has more raw HP potential than any W7/8/9,
but there, you're talking very little in common with a factory SBM, save maybe bore centers.

bar none, the latest 5.7/6.1 hemi package has the most potential power of any stock "small block mopar" layout. they share bore spacing, bore, stroke, & main bearing size with older LA...

...realistically the OEM 6.1 heads, max ported, have as much raw flow potential as a W7/8/9, plus the added benefit of no valve shrouding due to the valves opening up away from the bore...



Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: FASTFISH420] #164762
12/20/08 09:10 AM
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Two cars in SS/AM both make over 1000 Hp N/A. One has already been mentioned is Paul Ricci. he has I believe a 408" W8 motor. The other is Scott Gove and he ran a 358" W8 motor to 8.1's and now has a P5 motor where he has run as quick as 7.976. He presently has the SS/AM record at 8.03 set this year. His car is a stick car which is cool to watch. Both of these cars are around 2750 to 2800 pounds

Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: SCDaytona] #164763
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Scott Gove told me that he really can't determine if the P5 motor is faster than his old W8 motor. The car is faster now because he made some changes to the car to take weight out of it. He was overweight for the class when he had the W8 motor in it. Both motors are 358 cubic inch.

Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: ValiantRich] #164764
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.

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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: ValiantRich] #164765
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.




Given the fact that your car is only 50 lbs lighter and 14 fewer cubic inches than my Dart, I can only imagine how much fun that deal is to point down the track. Awesome.

Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: ValiantRich] #164766
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.


Now that is a cool car!!!

Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: ValiantRich] #164767
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.




SS/BM Valiant! Awesome car, must be a riot to drive/hear as it's buzzing thru the traps at 10,000 RPM


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Re: baddest small block combo ever [Re: Get-X] #164768
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.




SS/BM Valiant! Awesome car, must be a riot to drive/hear as it's buzzing thru the traps at 10,000 RPM




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