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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: webemopes]
#164690
12/09/08 08:47 PM
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Central,Ohio
FASTFISH420
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With the valvespring technologies there are right now,you could go alot more than 4 to 5 runs on springs..
Know with a 358 inch motor,that would be harder on springs,because the rpms.The best HP making spring right know is the PAC pro stock double spring,but it is a 15 run and out spring..but you cant beat the PSI spring for the price.I had 30 runs on a set of manley nextex with 950 lift going thru the lights at 9300 and shifting at 9000...and they were fine when checked..
1969 Barracuda 8 second all/motor small block
2014 Shelby GT500 Mustang
Uratchko Racing Engines
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: FASTFISH420]
#164692
12/09/08 09:53 PM
12/09/08 09:53 PM
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south central pa
bdaz smblk
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With the valvespring technologies there are right now,you could go alot more than 4 to 5 runs on springs..
Know with a 358 inch motor,that would be harder on springs,because the rpms.The best HP making spring right know is the PAC pro stock double spring,but it is a 15 run and out spring..but you cant beat the PSI spring for the price.I had 30 runs on a set of manley nextex with 950 lift going thru the lights at 9300 and shifting at 9000...and they were fine when checked..
I know Larry Rhodes car has a 1inch lift cam and good springs and he changes springs every 3 to 5 passes.Kenny
3120lb, small block, 10.5" tire, NA, through exhaust, full int, WITH 83/4 REAR, 9.0 at 150mph
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: bdaz smblk]
#164693
12/09/08 10:13 PM
12/09/08 10:13 PM
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Central,Ohio
FASTFISH420
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Kenny,
Sounds like he is throwing his money away..I know BES uses the PAC spring and I think BES builds his motors..I know Butch Kemp ran them and dropped a valve at the last Milan race because he had 40 passes on a set on the exhaust side..they were testing them to see there durability.
I am pretty sure John Langer and Bruce Maichle hurt both there motors at the end of the season also because of the PAC spring..
1969 Barracuda 8 second all/motor small block
2014 Shelby GT500 Mustang
Uratchko Racing Engines
www.URE-RACING.com
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: bdaz smblk]
#164695
12/09/08 10:29 PM
12/09/08 10:29 PM
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Central,Ohio
FASTFISH420
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Kenny, I like the Manleys myself,but I am sticking with the PSI's for now.I might put a set of the PAC's on for the last two months of racing to see if there is any gains... The motor should be ready for the dyno in Feb,or early March. 
1969 Barracuda 8 second all/motor small block
2014 Shelby GT500 Mustang
Uratchko Racing Engines
www.URE-RACING.com
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: AlexP]
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12/14/08 11:25 AM
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Lynchburg, VA
Leon441
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The 6.1 HEMI stuff is awesome no doubt. But, they are limited cubes and valve lift.
Cubic inches are not a problem 426 and 440 motors are getting common. Bigger will be coming soon also. Getting a better lifter and rocker assembly is the key. And from working on the new motors I can tell you first hand. I would not want to be the poor sucker stuck trying to adjust valves on one of these....trust me. It will suck.
The power we can make with a 223/227 on a 114 with .557 lift is enough to make a 4300 lb car go 11.50's and faster. Take 1000-1500 lbs out of the chassis and you suddenly have a stupidly simple car that goes sub 10's in the right chassis.
Hey, it could happen...
The tread is baddest small block ever. I talked to the guys with Arrington at PRI about their 440 CID engine. It is limited. When you offset the small end of the rods because you can't get clearance you have met your limit. These engines are a long way away from taking a 3,000 lb car into the mid 8's Normally Aspirated. I like the engines and give them all the credit due with thier limitations, this is why I mentioned them in my post, but they are long way away from the baddest small block combo ever. If someone thinks they have over 1,000 NA with one of these I will be glad to test it and promote it for them.
Leon
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: sc287]
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12/15/08 10:30 PM
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long island new york
kingdust
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im not saying that my small block is the baddest ever but its a stout piece. 394 cid, R3 48 degree block, diamond cyl heads, compression is at 15.2, custom ground comp cams roller, crower lifters, belt drive, ext oil pump, sheetmetal tunnel ram with a single prosystems dominator and a 1" hvh 4 hole spacer, on the dyno the engine made 847HP@ 8100 and 597ft lbs @ 6200. we then put a 1" open spacer under the hvh and it picked up 9HP TO 856 and moved the torque up a couple hundred rpms. that was with out a vacuum pump. it should pick up 20 to 30 HP with a vacuum pump. in a 3000 lb duster with a 4spd im lookin to go 8.80s. hopefully with great track and weather conditions and no driver error 8.70s. thought i'd share that since i love small blocks. all i ever owned was 340s! 
LIFE IS A LESSON,YOU LEARN IT WHEN YOUR THROUGH!
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: Neil]
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12/15/08 11:05 PM
12/15/08 11:05 PM
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oregon
greendart408
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http://www.spooledproductions.com/EventP.../target253.html
This car goes 8.70's at over 150 with a smallblock and no power adder. My brother talked to him once and said it was loosely based on a nascar truck engine with 2 fours on a sheetmetal intake??? Maybe someone else who has seen it knows more? I like this car since it carries the mopar flag well. Tons of character and stupid fast.
That green challenger is owned by the Hawker boys from Utah. It is bad to the bone. My uncle and I talked to him about it in Idaho a couple yrs back. It was a 408 with a 5spd. It runs those times in 4000ft plus altitude also.
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: Moparnut426]
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12/15/08 11:51 PM
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Melbourne , Australia
LA360
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Aussie Pro Stock runs at 400ci or under. The P5 is getting too hard to get, so much so that the only Team running a Dodge is getting their own Head castings done locally. They receive quite alot of help from Rick Watters @ Eaton Enterprises. They have run 7 Teens @ 185+ mph in a Brick Avenger. I think from memory the minimum weight is 2400lbs for those things. P5 is without a doubt the King of small block heads. I would say that P7's would be a close second with the W8's kind of the wedge heads. A properly prepped W8 will out perform damn near any Small Block Wedge Head. Making comparisons with W8 heads that were originally on a Craftsman Truck or some other roundy roundy racing doesn't do a W8 justice. Just my  anyway AL....
Alan Jones
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: LA360]
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12/16/08 07:18 AM
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Plumb Wired
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Craftsman Truck or some other roundy roundy racing doesn't do a W8 justice. Just my anyway AL....
Ouch that hurt, I guess my junk that ran 8.50's on N2O @ 3350# and in the 4's (1/8 mi.) boosted was just that, JUNK.
Mike Gray
RIP Monte Smith
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'98 Bickel Dodge Dakota PST
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: FASTFISH420]
#164707
12/16/08 08:28 AM
12/16/08 08:28 AM
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ProSport
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I thought PAC springs were suppose to be the shizzle these days.......
Where's Laverne(SB412Duster)? He bracket races consistantly in the mid 8's with a small block.
1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: kingdust]
#164708
12/16/08 08:56 AM
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landover, md
b1n02cuda
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847HP@ 8100 and 597ft lbs @ 6200. we then put a 1" open spacer under the hvh and it picked up 9HP TO 856 and moved the torque up a couple hundred rpms. that was with out a vacuum pump. it should pick up 20 to 30 HP with a vacuum pump. in a 3000 lb duster with a 4spd im lookin to go 8.80s. hopefully with great track and weather conditions and no driver error 8.70s. thought i'd share that since i love small blocks. all i ever owned was 340s!
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but this combo and hp WON'T go 8.7's-8.8's without a power adder in a 3000lb car. Unless your car is 2400-2500 lbs, don't expect it. It takes 900 plus hp to go in the 9.0 range, and that is with everything right.
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