Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: sc287]
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12/09/08 08:41 AM
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I don't know much about them. But the pro stock truck small blocks were pretty Bad AZZ! I think Patterson was building them I'm sure someone will chime in. DC
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/09/08 11:17 AM
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The most potential is going to be from a w8/48 degree deal, but frankly, i have personally not yet seen anything in that configuration NA that runs near what you would "think it should" Dont know if nobody has hit on the right combo or what, or maybe there are cars out there i dont know of.
If i was going to make " for sure" big power, i would probably use the indy raised port 245 cnc deal on a 48 degree block,430-450 cubes, with lots of compression, big roller, pro systems dominator, light rings, good evac system, etc.
I would think the above combination, well sorted out, would propel any 3000 pound ish car into the 8's easily
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: B3422W5]
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12/09/08 11:25 AM
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Seems like the WoO Sprint Cars make amazing horsepower. Not sure what combo they use, though.
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
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12/09/08 11:28 AM
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Well there are a number of small Hemi's in Comp Eliminator that run pretty dang hard.
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
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12/09/08 11:30 AM
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If i was going to make " for sure" big power, i would probably use the indy raised port 245 cnc deal on a 48 degree block,430-450 cubes, with lots of compression, big roller, pro systems dominator, light rings, good evac system, etc.
In other words start with a factory Mopar small block, throw it in the dumpster, build an entirely new custom design from scratch, and you'll have a killer engine combo.
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/09/08 12:29 PM
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well....depends on your definition of a small-block....
you're looking aftermarket block for strength.....
a P5 head probably has more raw HP potential than any W7/8/9, but there, you're talking very little in common with a factory SBM, save maybe bore centers.
bar none, the latest 5.7/6.1 hemi package has the most potential power of any stock "small block mopar" layout. they share bore spacing, bore, stroke, & main bearing size with older LA motors, and could be lumped into the "small block" category just as easily as a P5 engine or even a 48 degree W7/8/9 motor...
realistically the OEM 6.1 heads, max ported, have as much raw flow potential as a W7/8/9, plus the added benefit of no valve shrouding due to the valves opening up away from the bore...
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: weedlayer]
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12/09/08 06:30 PM
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mine is pretty bad according to all the eggspurts on this site. wrong parts, wrong, this, wrong that, just plain bad.
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
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12/09/08 07:27 PM
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The R4 P5 stuff is way cool,but you cant go real big on the cubes because the block..and those engines are way hard to find.. Here is a good run down on a very high HP small block,with wedge head... R3 block 60mm cam almost a inch lift 420 to 440 cubic inch very light weight crank aka,LA enterprise,winberg,etc GRP rods, custom Diamond pistons A double throw down set of W8 10 to 13 degree CFE heads. CFE sheetmatal manifold dual 4500 dominators external single stage peterson oil pump with star vacuum pump. I think you could make 1050 to 1075hp..yes with a wedge head!! I also think you could get 1000hp with cast manifold,single four at 420 to 440 inch also
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: AlexP]
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12/09/08 08:08 PM
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The 6.1 HEMI stuff is awesome no doubt. But, they are limited cubes and valve lift.
The R4/P5 stuff is awesome, Limited cubes
W8 not running good NA and talking up the Indy's Come on put the joint down. 8.4's in a backhalf doorslammer NA aint fast.
I feel a few years ago my 468 CID W8 with a cast intake and single 4-barrel made big power NA. No dyno sheets to prove it but with a nitrous cam and converter it ran 150MPH at 3,400 lbs NA.
The awesome engine would be a 6.1 based hemi aftermarket head and block that could go over 500 inches with sheetmetal intake and 4 split dominators. Or a P7 casting drag race ported with an XR block in place of the Hemi.
Everyone is scared to order a custom billet crank and make big cubic inches. I have ran many larger than 400 inch combos. I'm sorry but the bigger you go the more power they make as long as it can breath.
The match racers Sonny builds for have no better available parts than what is being promised for the small block Mopar. I just don't know why Mopar guys even talk about it. Obviously none have the will to pay for it. I have had a 900 HP small block for sale for over a year. Complete for $20,000. I get the PM's from people who thought they could build cheaper all the time after they find they couldn't. It's hard to see people manufactur parts for the small block mopar when truth is the sales won't pay for the paper it took to draw the plans up.
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Re: baddest small block combo ever
[Re: Leon441]
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12/09/08 08:12 PM
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The 6.1 HEMI stuff is awesome no doubt. But, they are limited cubes and valve lift.
Cubic inches are not a problem 426 and 440 motors are getting common. Bigger will be coming soon also. Getting a better lifter and rocker assembly is the key. And from working on the new motors I can tell you first hand. I would not want to be the poor sucker stuck trying to adjust valves on one of these....trust me. It will suck.
The power we can make with a 223/227 on a 114 with .557 lift is enough to make a 4300 lb car go 11.50's and faster. Take 1000-1500 lbs out of the chassis and you suddenly have a stupidly simple car that goes sub 10's in the right chassis.
Hey, it could happen...
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