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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: 68LAR]
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I like to pull into the water at 130. Cooler is definitely better but doing the same thing every time is more important in bracket racing.
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
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07/02/14 07:29 PM
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I usually drive to the track so its heated up when I get there but even making a time run I have to wait a bit. I am usually about 150 when I start my burnout. And the last time racing I put 4 passes on it and went 2 rounds and the car never went over 180 all day. I really dont like mine over 160 when I start my burnout. Ron
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: 68LAR]
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07/02/14 07:53 PM
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I try to go in at about 150 oil temp. I run a filled block, so my water temp rarely goes over 190. When I get back to the pits my oil temp is around 200 / 212.
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: 68LAR]
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07/02/14 10:47 PM
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What's your engine temp before you go into the burn out box. Any thoughts on which is better, warmer or cooler? 
You dont even state what fuel... I use to hit the box
at 160 on E-85 and hit the line at 165.. but I have
learned maybe 180 at the was better on E-85
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: cudaman1969]
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07/04/14 11:30 PM
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Does'nt matter, leave at 200 with alum. heads, use the heat to make power. I lost two tenths leaving at 160.
ditto on the 200 temp w/ aluminum heads, my car runs the fastest hot. look at what the new vehicle normal temps are 210f
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: E-Ticket]
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07/05/14 01:58 AM
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I go in the water at 150, try to stage around 160 and its usually 165-170 in the shut down.
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: cudaman1969]
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07/06/14 09:03 PM
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Does'nt matter, leave at 200 with alum. heads, use the heat to make power. I lost two tenths leaving at 160.
no secret how to increase engine output with temperature but try going round robin/hot lapping with those temps
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
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07/07/14 09:27 PM
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I like to pull into the water at 130. Cooler is definitely better but doing the same thing every time is more important in bracket racing.
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
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07/07/14 10:17 PM
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After waiting a few days and re-reading some of these replies, I'm really confused. First off, I run a aluminum head. My temp even on the hottest days or running round robin,never gets above 175*. I run 93 octane pump gas. My best times have been with going into the box at around 160*. I tried changing to a hotter thermostat (180*) for an 1/8th mile race a few weeks back, but the car ran 2 tenths slower in the 1/8th. My 60' times were also off a bit. So I'm confused. 
4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: moparacer]
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07/08/14 09:53 AM
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I go in the water at 150, try to stage around 160 and its usually 165-170 in the shut down.
Sounds like you need less jets
I stage the same , but tune carb for best heat mph down track by temp gained
You should see 25-30 rise in temp from leave to finish.
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: dennismopar73]
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07/08/14 12:29 PM
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On gas I used to pull into the burnout box at 150, on E85 I have to be at 165+ I've never had any luck running engines hotter and making more power, they always slow down. 
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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07/08/14 01:51 PM
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Depends on if you are shooting for the easiest thing to maintain round to round or get the ultimate in performance.
No secret that hot oil and cold water make the most power. Been proven time and time again on the dyno.
With our heads up car, we keep a heating pad plugged in on the oil tank on everything but the hottest days and chill the motor between rounds to 100 degrees. We roll through the puddle at 100. Usually stage about 110 and it MIGHT make it to 120 by the time we hit the return road.
We have no radiator and no water pump. Just a small 2 gallon water tank, with a small bilge pump in it, that we put a mixture of water and ice in before we go up. Turn on the water after backing up from the burnout. We just added the water tank and used to run without circulating water at all and we DO run gas. We have a chiller in the trailer and can turn the car around in 10 minutes if we have to
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I saw them in action last weekend in the finals on the last race of the night. Some body who was in between the guard rails at the tree probably tripped over the wires for the staging beams. Monte saw right away that the staging lights were not working in his lane and had Chad shut it down. The other guy kept his motor running a while as his lights were working just fine. When they finally decided that the timing would work, ole Monte stepped in and drug his red tennis show across the VHT and said that is where we will stage. They fired back up and I am pretty sure their temp thing was still on schedule while the other guy floundered.
It was no contest whatsoever. Gotta give ole Monte this, he is a cool cat at the tree.
Also the team has comms which is probably why they were able to cope so well. Another local guy in a Pro Mod had his chutes pop at the end of his burnout in eliminations and had no clue as they did not have radio comms, he was way past his backer since he blew out to half track and she was having a hard time running from the tree to back him up. he drove over his chutes despite everybody in the stands waving their arms not to. Eliminations and he went home with a broken car for the brake lines getting tangled.
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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07/10/14 10:23 PM
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No secret that hot oil and cold water make the most power. Been proven time and time again on the dyno.
I agree.
There are other factors too. What clearances is your engine setup with? Do you run aluminum rods? What viscosity oil do you use?
For NA alcohol injected engines, I like some heat in the heads to better vaporize the fuel. I bracket race and go for consistancy.
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: 440Jim]
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07/11/14 05:24 PM
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If you have a 12.1 cast headed motor and then put alum heads on that same motor and run it at the same temp, you might loose some power, because the alum soaks up some heat........BUT, if you optimize the motor for the head change, ie increase compression, the cold motor will still make the most power. How many times you see stocker and super stockers "icing" the intake between rounds during class runoffs. There is a reason for that. Cold, dense air and fuel make more power, period, on gas. Hard to have cold dense fuel if the cylinder head is 200 degrees. The motor needs to be built for how you intend to race it. I always build my stuff to race cool, because I know it makes power.
And somebody above mentioned their car gains 30+ degrees making a 1/4 mile pass........wow that's a lot of heat gain. I personally have never seen anything jetted and timed correctly gain that much heat in 10 seconds or so
Monte
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Re: Engine temp before doing burn out?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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07/11/14 08:01 PM
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I run my engine very cold ,just need a little warm up not to stumble in the lights, but the burnout is enough, usually don t even show on the temp gauge 
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