Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Paul G] #1634678
06/24/14 11:17 PM
06/24/14 11:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
I think your carbs backfiring as described are only a symptom, and not a cause. I'd be thinking along the lines of something timing related. Timing chain, cam lobes, bad distributor, etc. You better start looking deeper before a bigger problem rears it's head.

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Paul G] #1634679
06/24/14 11:42 PM
06/24/14 11:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,103
Phila Pa
S
scatpacktom Offline
master
scatpacktom  Offline
master
S

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,103
Phila Pa
I'm pretty sure you still have a ignition issue. I would look hard at the cap, rotor and wires (primary and secondary)

A good place to start would be to remove the coil wire from the coil and have someone spin the motor while holding the wire near it. If you have a good and sharp blue spark its further down the line. If it is lazy and yellow it is most likely high resistance in the wiring to the coil(fuzzy bulkhead connector, "green" wire harness, ect)

My guess is that you will have hot spark out of the coil. Don't disregard the plugs either. I've jumped in the car in the spring after a long winters nap and had the car misfire like nobodies business. Set of plugs later it's cured.

Good luck

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Paul G] #1634680
06/25/14 04:53 AM
06/25/14 04:53 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
S
Sxrxrnr Offline
pro stock
Sxrxrnr  Offline
pro stock
S

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
I earlier suggested ignition wiring or ignition switch as a possibility. Assuming that ballast resister is ok, disconnect stock ignition wiring going into it and run a 16 gauge or heavier jumper wire to the ballast from the positive post of battery. Then drive car.

If no ballast, run jumper wire directly to coil positive,,,but not for long as can be hard on points.

This will eliminate any doubts or concerns that switch or wiring is cause.

You do have negative from coil going to distributor,,,not positive which goes toward ignition switch?

Check dist cap for cracks and ensure that wiring internal in dist that goes coil to points is all in order. Have you checked dwell.

How many inches of vacuum at idle? Certain of no consequental vacuum leaks?

How much initial advance of timing,,,,,with any vacuum advance disconnected when checked?

Spark plug wires all clean and well insulated,,,,with no cross firing? Run engine in the dark and have a look.

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Sxrxrnr] #1634681
06/26/14 11:30 PM
06/26/14 11:30 PM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,126
Mobile Al
H
hemirdrnnr Offline
top fuel
hemirdrnnr  Offline
top fuel
H

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,126
Mobile Al
any news

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: hemirdrnnr] #1634682
06/27/14 12:28 AM
06/27/14 12:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,664
IN
A
ahy Offline
master
ahy  Offline
master
A

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,664
IN
Any older rubber fuel lines? They can get soft with time and alcohol and the fuel pump will suck them shut... or they get air leaks on the suction side as posted above. Check/replace rubber lines, especially on the suction side, would be easy/cheap.

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: HEMIDOG 70] #1634683
06/27/14 11:10 AM
06/27/14 11:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,585
Motor City
6
6PKRTSE Offline
master
6PKRTSE  Offline
master
6

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,585
Motor City
Quote:

Quote:

Have you checked the length of the fuel pump push rod? Might look at it to see if it has failed on the end and worn down. I had a friend a couple years back that had a similar issue as you describe almost like a vapor lock issue and it was his fuel pump push rod. It just took him a while to find it. Good luck!
Matt




Check this if it is a Mopar performance rod. Hughes Engines sells a hardened fuel pump pushrod. Mine was chewed up in under 1000 miles. A pic of the old and the new Hughes rod.




My issue on one of my Hemi's similar to this turned out to be the fuel pump push rods also. It wore to like .200+ short. Replaced It & then the car ran great.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Paul G] #1634684
06/27/14 12:45 PM
06/27/14 12:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,085
Niles , Ohio
T
therocks Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks  Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
T

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,085
Niles , Ohio
Just because the points look good they can still be bad.I just went thru it with one of my tractors.Not a Hemi but still the same thing.Start cold and ran great.warm up and started to miss and lose power.New points and adjust and all fine.Rocky


Chrysler Firepower
Re: HEMI Woes [Re: therocks] #1634685
06/29/14 02:28 PM
06/29/14 02:28 PM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,126
Mobile Al
H
hemirdrnnr Offline
top fuel
hemirdrnnr  Offline
top fuel
H

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,126
Mobile Al
anything new on the problem?

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: hemirdrnnr] #1634686
06/29/14 03:12 PM
06/29/14 03:12 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 637
Maryland USA
B
beatgoeson Offline
mopar
beatgoeson  Offline
mopar
B

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 637
Maryland USA
Paul I had a very similar problem with my 68H a while back chased everything. Turned out it was the crummy REPRO ballast resistor. If like me you wanted the original looking one you may have bought one of the repros available. When I took it of and looked at it the resistor wire was barely connected to the clips. I ended up soldering in a heavy gauge wire in place of the resistor wire. I have pertronics under the cap so I don't need a resistor wire. Man what a difference night a day! so if you have a China repro too take a good look at it.

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: hemirdrnnr] #1634687
06/29/14 10:37 PM
06/29/14 10:37 PM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 195
SE PA
Paul G Offline OP
member
Paul G  Offline OP
member

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 195
SE PA
Still running terrible either replaced or swapped following:
- Fuel filter and pick up (sock)
- coil
- Condenser
- Coil wire to distributor
- Cap and rotor

Verified or checked operation of the following:
- points
- carb choke
- Timing
- did not see any arching between wires (ran in the dark)
- checked fuel push rod measured 3 3/8's
- New Fuel
- checked timing

The car was running great up until this time.... The ballast and ignition wire (dated 1972)were NOS when they were installed 10 years ago. Have not checked neither. Have not checked the resistance in the other coil wires yet.

Really appreciate everyone's help on this

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Paul G] #1634688
06/29/14 10:44 PM
06/29/14 10:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms Offline
Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms  Offline
Mr Wizzard

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
Pull you carb lids and check your floats, see if either have a sunk float or a bad needle & seat. I'd change the N&S's while in there for good measure and be SURE your float levels are to correct spec height. Check your fuel pressure as well.

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Paul G] #1634689
06/30/14 03:36 AM
06/30/14 03:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 401
Norway
G
General 68 Offline
mopar
General 68  Offline
mopar
G

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 401
Norway
Here is a tought: You put a different coil in it and it started acting up faster. That coil likely made a change in the system load and something heated up faster than before creating a too high resistance pulling the ignition feed down to the point where the spark starts to suffer.
A weak connection can cause this and so can the ballast resistor. The ballast developes more resistance as it gets hotter.
How many volts do you measure at coil + both cold and hot?

Lars

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: General 68] #1634690
07/04/14 01:43 PM
07/04/14 01:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 195
SE PA
Paul G Offline OP
member
Paul G  Offline OP
member

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 195
SE PA
Ok, I know that I'm getting pretty old these day but know I'm starting to feel real dumb.... I have replaced points and set the gap to about 0.017 (don't have access to a dwell meter). Replaced ballast, hooked everything up now I'm not getting any spark? only 4.7v at the coil???

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Paul G] #1634691
07/05/14 12:29 AM
07/05/14 12:29 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
S
Sxrxrnr Offline
pro stock
Sxrxrnr  Offline
pro stock
S

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
Quote:

Ok, I know that I'm getting pretty old these day but know I'm starting to feel real dumb.... I have replaced points and set the gap to about 0.017 (don't have access to a dwell meter). Replaced ballast, hooked everything up now I'm not getting any spark? only 4.7v at the coil???




Again, visit my earlier posts. Use 16 gauge jumper wire from battery positive to coil positive to rule out ignition wiring or ignition switch.

If all is now ok, then defective switch or wiring. Pay attention on my warning on ballast resistor when using this jumper test. If no improvement, at least you can rule this out as cause.

This is exactly one simple way to hot wire and steal your car,,,of course still need to jump starter too And deal with any steering lock. 20 seconds should just about do it all.

Re: HEMI Woes [Re: Paul G] #1634692
07/06/14 10:04 AM
07/06/14 10:04 AM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 195
SE PA
Paul G Offline OP
member
Paul G  Offline OP
member

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 195
SE PA
Well after replacing the points and ballast the car is running like it should. When I replaced the points I must have damaged the wire to the distributor from the coil... After seeing the new points the old points were definitely the root cause!!! see picture

Thanks for everyone's input.... learned a ton. Great Web site with a lot of knowledgeable folks!!!! thanks again.

8199266-040_2_2.JPG (140 downloads)
Page 2 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1