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Putting glide behind a small block #1634383
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I'm looking to put a glide behind my small block. What setup are you guys using?
Any issues that I need to know so I get this right the first time.

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: 412 SB Duster] #1634384
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I'm using the JW setup. I've got the complete JW trans but just using the JW Bell and flexplate setup is quite nice also. No problem what so ever but a PITA to send it in for recert.

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: Blucuda413] #1634385
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I went the cheap route when I switched over to a glide behind my 408. The ATI plate works very nice and can serve as a mid plate if desired. I have 2 plate systems for my big block too but I switched my main powerglide over to the safety bell set-up.


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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: pittsburghracer] #1634386
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Will the JW bell and ATI plate both take a standard mopar starter?
What ratio gear set you guys using in the glide.

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: 412 SB Duster] #1634387
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Stock Mopar mini starter and hundreds of hundreds of passes behind both a big block running 8.60's-8.90's and a small block running 10.0's-10.20's with a stock 1.76 gear-set. I broke a set of stock 1.82 gears after 125 passes in a 2800 pound big block car. Don't bother running that gear as they are on the smaller carrier.


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Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: pittsburghracer] #1634388
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Come on Al, leave that 3 speed in there, I like the wheelstands


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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: B3422W5] #1634389
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lol they are fun!
Just looking to step the program up a notch, it's all about winning rounds
At this point. It's the glide or back halfing the car. I like the way the car sits now
So I'm going to put a glide in it.

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: 412 SB Duster] #1634390
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I have been told by two trans shops that a power glide would be two tenth slower than a 904 trans in a 9sec 3000lb car. what have you guys seen in real life.


In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's
5.07 at 133 at 2700lb
Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: 412 SB Duster] #1634391
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Here is something you might want to try! A friend of mine a few years ago that bought my 1st dragster,less center section & most other parts(I put them on my new dragster and give him a great deal).Had a turbo 350 built trans & converter out of his door car(chevy)he used both of them behind his BBC and only used 1st & 2nd gear with a 3.55 rear gear ratio with was = to running a glide with either a 4.56 or 4.10 rear gear I can't remember which.And it worked great,at least its something you might want to look into.Do your math to pick the right rear gear ratio and if nothing else you can find out if a Glide will help your car or not.

PS Try it you might like it!


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Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: WHITEDART] #1634392
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I have been told by two trans shops that a power glide would be two tenth slower than a 904 trans in a 9sec 3000lb car. what have you guys seen in real life.



I agree, it seems like most small blocks don't make the torque to carry through a glide.

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: SpareParts] #1634393
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Guys I'm talking to are saying once you get the gearing and converter right you can
Get it down closer to .01
Time will tell

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: WHITEDART] #1634394
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Brother don't listen to that crap...and if it were true it would be a proflite.The reason trans guy's say that is because there bench would be empty except for freshen ups.
Heavy or light once your geared right they are good.The ATI bell i ised required zero shims w a sb mini mopar starter and you get converters cheaper to.JMO

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: fishy340] #1634395
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Brother don't listen to that crap...and if it were true it would be a proflite.The reason trans guy's say that is because there bench would be empty except for freshen ups.
Heavy or light once your geared right they are good.The ATI bell i ised required zero shims w a sb mini mopar starter and you get converters cheaper to.JMO


but I don't recall having ever seen a two speed behind any small block in any heads up n/a class.. power adder stuff would be different. Im going to a powerslide in my car as well looking for more consistenty.


In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's
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Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: WHITEDART] #1634396
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Mine runs very consistent with a 727. It runs dead on or very close every time but my problem is I can not keep from red lighting, .480-490 lights. 80% of the time.


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Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: WHITEDART] #1634397
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Brother don't listen to that crap...and if it were true it would be a proflite.The reason trans guy's say that is because there bench would be empty except for freshen ups.
Heavy or light once your geared right they are good.The ATI bell i ised required zero shims w a sb mini mopar starter and you get converters cheaper to.JMO


but I don't recall having ever seen a two speed behind any small block in any heads up n/a class.. power adder stuff would be different. Im going to a powerslide in my car as well looking for more consistenty.




I would love to tell ya times but i cant
Andy Harris aka Flex has on in his na sb stang.
Dean Marinis has a whale (Heavy)of a 68 camaro na and if anyone here like one bad fish will attest It is a freakin beast.
So one is a sb and is super fast
And one is a heavy BB that revs 9000+like nothing The Glides work.

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: fishy340] #1634398
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Good luck with it. I am sure the Glide will help make it a killer consistant car.


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Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: fishy340] #1634399
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Brother don't listen to that crap...and if it were true it would be a proflite.The reason trans guy's say that is because there bench would be empty except for freshen ups.
Heavy or light once your geared right they are good.The ATI bell i ised required zero shims w a sb mini mopar starter and you get converters cheaper to.JMO



Don't dismiss it as "crap" I got it from a very respected SBM racer here. I won't name drop but the guy has been very fast on 10.5's and looking at the new bullet is about to go faster. I got my 904 from a buddy who went to a glide, I asked a while later how the motor liked the glide (883hp W8 mill) he just asked if I wanted to sell the 904 lol

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I'll keep this one. I've got a lot invested in 904s yeah more than one. I've been really tempted to change to a glide. With the 904 I'm geared 3.91 and it's fast 5.66 @ 120 and can run 1/4 w this set up . I've now installed just about every billet and aluminum piece inside. I've broken lots of 904 stuff . I tried a 2.28 low but it slowed between .1-.2 depending on altitude . Maybe it will stop breaking stuff . My car weighs about 2775#. If I had to do over I'd build a glide especially in a light car. Yeah the wheelies are fun. But going rounds are more fun!

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: DavidDean] #1634401
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To each his own...I will have 0 worries about my glide and only hope the car will 60' like Brian's dart which also has a glide. 1.17 sb na

Re: Putting glide behind a small block [Re: fishy340] #1634402
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I spent some time talking to guys while I was at the No Box Nationals last weekend
99% where all running a Glide. Every car that went to the finals had a glide.
This is not just by chance, that's why I'm making the switch.

One more question guys, any issue with the glide fitting in the stock tunnel of a
Duster.

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