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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: TonyS451] #1632124
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Thanks Ted. Its amazing how much time you don't have for toys when you have 2 kids who play sports and when coaching two hockey teams and a baseball team. Not to mention having a job. Hows that old nostalgia Dodge doing?


Runs pretty good! It now has a Victor head 512 RB in it. Can't drive it for another 1-3 years due to health issues. Got a good driver for it!


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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: TonyS451] #1632125
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You will like those heads alot. I did the same thing ordering those same heads through Porter and letting him clean them up and then send them to me. On my old 64 I had that 493 running 9.80's and had to slow it down because of no cage

Now I have a set of the big EZ's because the 63 is about 400lbs heavier then the old car and it has gotten me into the 9.60's.

Kees us updated on the progress and outome once it's up and running.

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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: max_maniac] #1632126
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Looks great Tony!

Please be sure to go the extra mile onthat 440-2d manifold and port the transitions from the lower plenum to the runners.

Look up the old Dr. Air article. The upper plenum is great as cast and really only needs the MW port match, the lower Plenum needs some work to get the runners to match the uppers. Upper plenum will flow around 360 with just he port match and easily keep up with your EZ heads, the lower plenum will only flow maybe 320 cfm, the #7 is the particularly weak one but it's pretty easy to fix.

With only the runner work and not doing the plenum work as well you're leaving about 25-30HP on the table of the manifold's potential.

I agree with Ron, you may need to mill down the cross-over to clear the indy valley plate, or you can grind the valley plate where it makes contact. It may actually clear with minimal work on an RB, but on a B deck like mine with Stage VI's it was mandatory.

Well worth the work to port the plenum, I can walk you through it, I actually went a bit further than Dr Air and ported the heck out of my 2D, both upper and especially the lower.

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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: Streetwize] #1632127
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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: Airwoofer] #1632128
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CC Dave - Don't know about the core shift. AndyF did the port match and he used the intake on the dyno for a few pulls.

Ron - Thanks for the pics, I will be sure to keep that in mind when it comes time to bolt up the intake.

Slanty - Hope all is well!

Thoomer - I hope you can get back behind the wheel soon.

Russ - Your cars have always run hard, so not surprised you are running 9.60's with the NSS dodge. I was thinking about the big ez's in case I wanted to step it up down the road. Last minute change to the 295's. Probably for the best.

Bobby WiZE - Thanks for the intake mod tips. I will look into that for sure!


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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: TonyS451] #1632129
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Airwoofer....That be the one! Thanks!

Tony, Let me know if I can help, buddy


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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: Airwoofer] #1632130
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What rockers are you planning on using?

Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: 383man] #1632131
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Here is my intake after I cut the exh heat crossover so it would clear the Indy valley plate. Really is not alot you have to trim off. Ron







Maybe it`s me but why the dual plane when a 520 should already have earth ripping torque and an open plenum I would think would neutralize some of that...........


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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: Thumperdart] #1632132
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Here is my intake after I cut the exh heat crossover so it would clear the Indy valley plate. Really is not alot you have to trim off. Ron







Maybe it`s me but why the dual plane when a 520 should already have earth ripping torque and an open plenum I would think would neutralize some of that...........





Yes Thumper its you. Just kidding. I went with the Indy dual plane since mine is a street car and it has good low end but everyone I talked to said it will flow big time for a dual plane and be able to handle my 493 with no trouble. I would love to try a single plane one day and compare it. Ron

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Here is my intake after I cut the exh heat crossover so it would clear the Indy valley plate. Really is not alot you have to trim off. Ron







Maybe it`s me but why the dual plane when a 520 should already have earth ripping torque and an open plenum I would think would neutralize some of that...........




You have a good point, and good chance there would be some decent power on the table with a nice single plane (and a hefty solid roller while I'm at it). I figure with my little hydraulic roller, this thing will be all done by 6k anyhow, and this engine is going into a heavy B body street car, so the extra torque down low will always be appreciated.


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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: TonyS451] #1632134
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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: 383man] #1632135
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Here is my intake after I cut the exh heat crossover so it would clear the Indy valley plate. Really is not alot you have to trim off. Ron






nice port job


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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: sixpackgut] #1632136
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Fully ported a 440-2D will flow upwards of 360 CFM, so added response and roll on torque (it's only excessive if you WANT it to be with the loud pedal) is a big plus on the street, and VS all but the best single planes you're not giving up very much (if anything) up top at 500 cubes. Want more up top?, I'd try running a bigger carb before ptching an EXCELLENT MW manifold


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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: Streetwize] #1632137
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I wonder why they did not try to even up the individual runner flows in that article? I would think that even cyl filling would be important to keeping the individual cyl pressures even and the engine more smooth and efficient.

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In the end it probably doesn't matter that much, like I said the valve is only open about 20 seconds per minute of operation.

The losses to a dual plane are due more to the high RPM wall friction (turns in the runners) compared a straighter shot single plane, even if the CFM and cross section is the same.

That said the 2D is an awesome manifold, the only reason I would NOT use it is if the upwer bottom and mid range torque was excessive for the body weight or the gearing/stall/shift recovery RPM of the combo was higher than the torque peak achievable with the manifold, not gonna be the case in most street driven 500" motors in a B or E body, up the cubes to 540-572 and/or lower the weight a few to several 100 pounds and the MP '337 is likely a (slightly overall) better choice.


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Re: Top end for my 520" street bruiser [Re: sixpackgut] #1632139
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Here is my intake after I cut the exh heat crossover so it would clear the Indy valley plate. Really is not alot you have to trim off. Ron






nice port job





I bought the intake and my heads from Dwayne Porter and thats his great work as he did all the port work on that intake and my heads. Ron

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