Re: Air or electric??
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Well, no matter the shifter used , it requires an electrical activation to work, Air has 2 issues , 1 electric, and air issues . The electric has the same , but connected to same issues , electric current Batteries get low , inconsistent it becomes, All in what you trust, what one prefers
an electric shifter uses very little power, it only shifts twice for a split second and has 0 effect on being consistent. if you are racing these days without an alternator
Uhhhhh......not true. They put a HUGE spike in the voltage graph on a data logger when they hit. While this may or may not effect your car, they still do it. Plus they get REALLY hot. Anything electrical gets THAT hot, it is using some juice
We use air........well not really air, Nitrous. Since it is a nitrous car, was very easy to tap into that system to use the air shifter and only had to add a tiny solenoid and reg to car. Ours doesn't leak either
Monte
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Re: Air or electric??
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05/19/14 12:43 AM
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so why doesnt anyone make a electric shifter for a 3spd reverse turbo action shifter?. or am I missing it?.
There was , a company out of Florida that mad a supper great air shifter fit the turbo action shifters But has since went out of business. I know of two that ate in cars here , I hear the solenoid still available??
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Re: Air or electric??
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05/19/14 06:34 AM
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Well, no matter the shifter used , it requires an electrical activation to work, Air has 2 issues , 1 electric, and air issues . The electric has the same , but connected to same issues , electric current Batteries get low , inconsistent it becomes, All in what you trust, what one prefers
an electric shifter uses very little power, it only shifts twice for a split second and has 0 effect on being consistent. if you are racing these days without an alternator
Uhhhhh......not true. They put a HUGE spike in the voltage graph on a data logger when they hit. While this may or may not effect your car, they still do it. Plus they get REALLY hot. Anything electrical gets THAT hot, it is using some juice
We use air........well not really air, Nitrous. Since it is a nitrous car, was very easy to tap into that system to use the air shifter and only had to add a tiny solenoid and reg to car. Ours doesn't leak either
Monte
do you guys run an alt?
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Re: Air or electric??
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Plus they get REALLY hot. Anything electrical gets THAT hot, it is using some juice
Monte
You are using the kind of solenoid I don't like. Mine runs cold. Not sucking power except when it shifts.
same as mine
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Re: Air or electric??
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05/19/14 04:35 PM
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I always run an air shift when possible. Save all the battery you can when not running a charging system. Most electric shifters draw lots of power.
One day I will have something cool here.
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Re: Air or electric??
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05/19/14 04:46 PM
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Boy are you guys hating on electric living in the past. Times have changed gentlemen, times have changed. [/quote.
Jeepmom asked about shifters and thottle stops.So which throttel stop are you using on electric and how is that working for you?
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Re: Air or electric??
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05/19/14 06:29 PM
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Air shifter and T/S here...
5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!
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Re: Air or electric??
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05/19/14 06:41 PM
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Dont hate the players hate the game. The .90 classes have evolved into what they are. No going back now, it aint gonna happen. It is what it is
I don't understand the insistence on making ones opinion known on the guys preference on which class he wants to race. Who cares if the guy wants to try throttle stop racing. If you cannot ad anything constructive why not just move on or ad whatever experience you may have had or what your product preference is on an item.
What really frustrates me is why anytime a question that involves stop type racing comes up the conversation always seems to lead to the same inevitable place. That some people don't like stop racing and want everyone to know it. WE GET IT YOU DONT LIKE IT. My frustration comes from the instance of people to make sure they get their feelings known on the subject every time a post like this appears. Instead of adding constructive advice on what question the poster has. If they have chosen to compete at this level why cannot people just accept that and try and help?
So now I'm branded a HATER, because I mentioned Throttle Stop. WOW!
I wish I had known that I hated Stop Racing before I started the http://sesupergas.com/ 23 years ago. I must have hated it last year, when I raced it and I guess I'll hate it again this year when I compete.
" The .90 classes have evolved into what they are. No going back now, it aint gonna happen. It is what it is"
So NHRA never changes
Years back a Div. 2 racer Ronnie Davis approached NHRA about adding a new class and having an exhibition of them at the Southernationals. Things worked out as the class has been made permanent fixture. Maybe you have heard of it, it is called TOP SPORTSMAN.
Again in Div 2, five or six years ago, the track owners added some more new classes to the divisional menu. They now have a 10.00 index and a 11.00 index, along with the 9.90 and 10.90. The big difference in the 1/10th slower index classes are: NO Delay box, No active throttle stop. Guess track owners have to hate too.
The only races I can go to that allow active t-stop's are SE S/GAS races or NHRA races. I can go to NO/BOX-NO Active stop race at least 2 or 3 times a month if I want. Time will tell which type wins out.
Two cars, leaving heads-up, going side by side down the track. Feels like the S/Gas class that I started running in back in 91.
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Re: Air or electric??
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05/19/14 07:11 PM
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Touchy aren't Was not signling you or anyone out in particular just a statement about the inevitable course these threads seem to take is all. So tell me exactly what changed there about .90 racing? Adding a new class or classes did nothing to change ANY of the Super classes. I don't hate any class or how it is run. Diversity is what makes the world go round. There are plenty of options/classes for racers to choose and that is good. Just because super classes have evolved and left some in the dust is proof of that fact. Sorry you choose to not like throttle stop racing to each their own and I am very happy you have a class to run in that you are comfortable with. Still don't see the need to throw stop racing under the bus because it has evolved from where it once was. Apparently you are not comfortable with what it has evolved into and chose to move on. Nothing wrong with that, but why bash those who choose to run it or just the idea of the class itself. Have a pleasant day
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Re: Air or electric??
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Touchy aren't Was not signling you or anyone out in particular just a statement about the inevitable course these threads seem to take is all.
So tell me exactly what changed there about .90 racing? Adding a new class or classes did nothing to change ANY of the Super classes. I don't hate any class or how it is run. Diversity is what makes the world go round. There are plenty of options/classes for racers to choose and that is good. Just because super classes have evolved and left some in the dust is proof of that fact.
Sorry you choose to not like throttle stop racing to each their own and I am very happy you have a class to run in that you are comfortable with. Still don't see the need to throw stop racing under the bus because it has evolved from where it once was. Apparently you are not comfortable with what it has evolved into and chose to move on. Nothing wrong with that, but why bash those who choose to run it or just the idea of the class itself.
Have a pleasant day
Because THIS is Moparts and pissing, moaning and bickering about silly stuff is a way of life here..........LOL!!!
Monte
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Re: Air or electric??
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05/20/14 11:37 AM
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OK I hear about the electric solenoid spiking on the electric shift noids.Now that sounds believeable,so is that the reason for using air?? If so then tell me the name of the air shifter you are using that does not have to be hook to anything electrical in the car..because if it hooks to anything electrical in the car its going to still spike the electrical system and take current from the battery.That is the reason I brought a air shifter the 1st thinking it would take no current from the battery,imagine my surprise when I found out it had to be hooked to a 12 volt positive source,that would draw current from the battery and the daymn thing always leaked air always.If you like getting to the track and no air in your bottle or making a run and it does not shift because it is out of air and cost's you a round win and like having to carry a spare bottle around then buy you a air system.If you like never having to carry a extra bottle and never having to worry about turning it on or off or being out of air then buy the electric. It's plain & simple AIR LEAKS!
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