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capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? #1614488
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Hey guys, i'm the proud owner of a 66' satellite....{highly over looked and under rated body style by the mopar crowd IMHO}.  I have yet to run it at the track, but my local track in Fontana California just re-opened. I'd love to break the 12.99 e.t. barrier in the 1/4 if possible. Here is a rundown of my setup.

69' 440 long block  never rebuilt as far as I can tell so, i'm assuming 9 to 1 comp ratio. The engine makes equal compression in all cylinders, 140-155psi. great oil pressure too, that as well as cost are my reasons for not rebuilding to bump the comp ratio.
stock 906's with new springs/retainers/locks/seals
3310 vac secondary Holley 750
1/2" 4 hole phenolic spacer
Performer RPM intake
Crane adjustable ductile iron rockers i'm assuming 1.5 ratio
Mopar .528 solid cam and lifters
Old Heddman headers 1 3/4" primaries into 3' collectors into Flowmaster 40 series muffs that dump in front of the rear axle.
orange box with mopar electronic dist. 14 initial 35 total all in @ 2600

727 with a shift kit, the big question mark is the converter. i was told a 2500 stall... ?  still not sure.
741 case 8 3/4 with a 3.91-1 suregrip. stock snubber
New mopar factory big block springs and KYB gas adjust shocks in front and back.
275/60/15 radials which equal a 28.5" tall tire... i know, i need slicks
Car weighs 3740 with me in it.
 
Any tips or suggestions of parts/combos/tricks that have proven essential/successful for you guys in the past ?? Anything you could pass along would be much apperciated. Do you think my combo is capable of my goal as it sits ?? I'm stabbing in the .528 next week. Hope it wont kill my bottom end. Im switching from a Howards .506 lift 219/219 @50 hydraulic.

This is a street car first , i'm on a tight budget but, i'd like it to be a strong performer as well.

p.s. i'm not really into the idea of nitrous.

     Thanks again in advance,  Dave  

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Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: Torquemonster440] #1614489
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You should be well in the 12's with that package, I ran a bunch of 12.6's with a 77 smog motor with a 509 cam and stock heads in a 3800 pound b-body




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Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: Torquemonster440] #1614490
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I would think high 13's at best as it is. Get the mopar porting templates and port the heads for a start, get them milled and use steel shim head gaskets to get the comp up. Make sure all your timing is in at 2000 rpm. You could do with slicks or drag radials and a bit more converter wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't go too mad on the motor though because you've only got the small pinion centre section. Clamp the front sections on the leaf springs and fit a snubber if you dont have one now. Oh and drop the exhaust at the track, that should give you at least .15 maybe .2.
good luck Mick


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best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: deaks] #1614491
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The biggest single performance improvement I saw when I was in your shoes was a good convertor. Beg, borrow, or steal a good 10" convertor. TA makes a fantastic piece that will outlast the engine, trans, and car. I ran a 12.19 with the same basic package you're working with in my truck at about the same weight as you. I ran the TA 10" convertor and 4.56 suregrip, 29x10" slicks.Dave

Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: Torquemonster440] #1614492
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If everything is tuned and running right it should run 12's easy.

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The MP orange box pulls timing out above 4000 rpm , really a poor choice for an ignition box , swap it out for something better .

Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: Torquemonster440] #1614494
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I have close to the same combo with less cam (hydraulic .484 lift). Same gears as yours. With slicks and open headers mid 12's. With 255 60 15" I can just get into the 12.90's. I would think your traction and converter would be the only thing that might hold you back. Mine is in a 62 Sport Fury with a 3500-4000 stall converter, and it is driven on the street most of the time. Also, the converter doesn't give me any trouble on the street, even in the traffic of "Back to the fifties" car show, the best car show in the world (yep, I said the world, and I have traveled all over).

Also, you may want to experiment with more overall timing, up to maybe 38 degrees or so, whatever runs best.

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Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: JohnRR] #1614495
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The MP orange box pulls timing out above 4000 rpm , really a poor choice for an ignition box , swap it out for something better .




I ran the Chrome box back in the day. Are they still available?
The stock 70 440 Super Comando I had in my Cuda 440 only had like 9.75-1 compression. The car ran 13.02 stock.
When I upgraded the motor it was a similar combo to yours except I went with high compression 12 to 1 and a bigger cam 590 purple shaft and I had an 850 DP Holley. The Cuda ran high 11's. I had those ductile rocker arms and basically stock 906 heads.
Like I said if it is running right it will easily run 12's.

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The MP orange box pulls timing out above 4000 rpm , really a poor choice for an ignition box , swap it out for something better .




If its an old orange box it may be ok. I bought mine about 1999 or early 2000. It works good and dont pull timing. In fact it was on my sons Dart and when we put MSD on it the car ran no faster and ran no different. But it seems the newer orange boxes are giving some trouble. How new I dont really know all I can tell you is mine works good and its about 14 years old. Most people who run the chrome box seem to say it works good for them. I would think in good tune you can get in the high 12's with some hook. Good luck , Ron

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I dont think he can do it... not in the current set
up... a conv would help BIG TIME... look at what the
production cars ran back then... it was really difficult
to get a stock car into the 12s.... everyone back
then thought they had a fast car till they took it
to the track and then it turned a 14

Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: Torquemonster440] #1614498
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Wow, thanks for all the quick replies fellas much appreciated. I was figuring the converter would be my weak link, as well as my tires. Will I feel any negative effects from clamping the front leafs while running on the street ? And when we're talking about snubbers are you referring to the adjustable kind? I'm already running the stock version.


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Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: Torquemonster440] #1614499
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I think you should be able to meet your goal. My car is real similar with a few differences:

850 DP instead of 750 vac sec.
SS springs
9.5 Dynamic converter
90/10 Calvert shocks
Stock 452 heads
Engle hydraulic cam with .534 lift, 238 @ .050 duration

It usually runs 7.90s in the 1/8 at Barona (best ever was a 7.86) with 1.68 to 1.70 60 foot times, I think that would be like 12.30s to 12.50s in the 1/4 according to the calculators. Maybe someday I'll meet you up at Fontana and we can do some '66 vs. '67 runs and I can get a 1/4 mile time.

I agree on getting some bias ply slicks and a good converter.

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Also, do you guys think the cam swap I mentioned is a step in the right direction? ?


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Wow, thanks for all the quick replies fellas much appreciated. I was figuring the converter would be my weak link, as well as my tires. Will I feel any negative effects from clamping the front leafs while running on the street ? And when we're talking about snubbers are you referring to the adjustable kind? I'm already running the stock version.




You wont see any difference on the street with the front
segments clamped... the rear of the spring is your
ride rate

Re: capable of 12.99 ?? / old school racing tricks ?? [Re: Torquemonster440] #1614502
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It will run 12's IF you can get the 60' times in line.

The new camshaft will want more initial timing than the old cam. I'd install the cam at 107-108 ICL.

Use the snubber for what they do best, propping the door of your garage open to let a breeze in!

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I have a '67

That car should go 12.50s-12.80s on slicks. As stated your best friend at this point would be a new converter.

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Take the car out and find out what is does now, adjust as needed AKA go run the car, if it spins real bad to start with loosen up the front shock retaining nuts and washers at the track so the front end will try to transfer weight.My biggest concern on your car is th fuel system, the stock 5/16 pickup and fuel lines will probally limit your top end charge Go have some fun and see whar it does, as you can see from these posts everybody has thier own opinions based on their past expereinces or what they've heard


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I think it'll run 12s easily if it hooks good.
The converter, like everyone else said, is the big question. A good 10" 3500-3800 stall would be great.

I'm not a fan of the MP Orange ignition boxes...I like MSD, but everyone has their favorite. Also, bump the timing up to 38° total w/ that combo.

AN 830-850 double pumper would be better than that vac. sec. carb.

I ran 11.80s at 3700# w/ a 10:1 compression 440 w/ stock 906 heads, 509/292 cam, Edelbrock RPM intake, 830 holley, 10" 3800 stall, and 4.10 gears w/ 28x10 slicks. 1 7/8" headers, 3" exhaust w/ flowmasters, pump gas, etc. etc.


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Take the car out and find out what is does now, adjust as needed AKA go run the car, if it spins real bad to start with loosen up the front shock retaining nuts and washers at the track so the front end will try to transfer weight.My biggest concern on your car is th fuel system, the stock 5/16 pickup and fuel lines will probally limit your top end charge Go have some fun and see whar it does, as you can see from these posts everybody has thier own opinions based on their past expereinces or what they've heard




Didn't see what you have for a fuel system but stock fuels system will most likely ruin your day. I forget exactly where my fuel system stop working but it was somewhere in the 12's. The car left hard and when I shifted to 2nd it fell flat on its face. No fuel. This was in the 80
s. I installed 1/2 inch fuel line and a holley blue pump and I was back in business.
With street tires this may not be a problem. I was running slicks when I had this problem.

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Thanks for the input all . first in my list will definitely be a quality converter. Well, maybe some slicks first, before I hit the track. Hey 67 Satty, pm me and we can exchange info. It'd be sweet to hook up with someone who has experience with this platform (66/67 big block b- body) before I run my first time at the track.


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