Don't forget Steer and Gear does boxes as well. I picked up mine at Carlisle, so I saved shipping (plus shipping a core). This is good for east coasters or carlisle attendees.

Guys

I must have lucked out with my small sector borgenson box, factory pitman arm , doughs headers and mildon road race pan. No clearance problems at all, 2 or 3 threads showing after nut and lock washer. I had enough clearance to headers that I was entertaining trying a quick ratio pitman arm. This is in a 69 Bee RB block Doughs D452 2" headers. The pain was the lakewood bellhousing with block protector.

Kevin

Pitman arm threads

Pan Headers and new steering box no issues.

Kevin

The steering box install went well for me. I purchased a used steering shaft from a ps steering car last year at Carlisle as mine was a manual steering car. I bought the box along with an install kit with fittings and modified plunge joint around Christmas this year. This setup for me was a true bolt in. I drove car on Sat for the first time and it felt like a new car.

I also did other mods at same time. Removed and welded K frame, new Oil pan, new FF 1.12 Torsion bars and new FF strut rods. I have a hotchkiss 1 3/8 sway bar and FF upper control arm. Just need a good alignment now.

Kevin

Headman headers 78030 with eddy heads fit confirmed. Lots of clearance around it. Clears fast ratio arms as well. Closest it gets to the box anywhere is still 5/8" away from the head of the top corner bolt. And about 1/2"-5/8" away from the top of the steering coupler depending which way the coupler is turned. Best $150 spent lol

So as we continued down the rabbit hole of using this box, we hit another big issue. Our #7 Doug's Header tube was in direct contact with the steering column (formerly a column shift PS model) After closer examination, we deemed it due to the poor placement of the motor thanks to the /6 to SBM kit we got. So after some deliberation, we got the 73+ K-frame seen in the other thread and some good mounts from Schumaker. After installing everything, the motor was in the correct place, however, steering was in contact with the header tubes even worse than before. At that point we were getting ready to call it quits with the headers and I decided to break out the tape measure. This is what we found:




The steering box seems to be pointing to the engine. I went over to another pre-72 A-Body with a 73+ K-Frame and a factory box and took the same measurement. Not even close. The box appeared to point slightly to the driverside, and was about 3/4" further that way than the Borgeson unit.

My curiosity peaked and I went so far as to throw a factory box in to see if the K-frame was off or the Borgeson box. Imagine my surprise when I got this measurement.





I spent some time on the phone with Borgeson the last couple days as well as e-mail to send them the pictures. The end result is that they feel the U-joint should be able to take up the slack and we ended up having to shim the 2 drivers side bolts to get the input shaft closer to where it needs to be. Not 100% thrilled about that. They said that they have had irregularities from 1/8 inch to 1/2" in input spline location car to car, but it seems odd to me that if I put a factory box back in, everything is where it should be.
Also, this is the large sector box again, that had poor spline engagement with the Pitman, however I was able to get the split washer on. I had not head of this issue before, but thought it may be worth bringing up.

So in current conclusion, the biggest detractors I have with this box are:

1. Pitman spline engagement
2. Build tolerances/quality control
3. These boxes are not new castings, they are rebuilt and modified from used cores and show wear/tear to indicate such.
4. Center "tight spot" is a really tight sector adjustment and will "wear in" after use.

Happy Hot Rodding!

Wow that sure is disappointing to see! I'll stick with my FF box. Is the plate beefy enough to machine it so it sits square? Not that you should have to for that kind of money!

That is no good whatsoever. I feel like a doosh for ever endorsing their product. They need to admit it is not the Mopar K's first off. I could see an 1/8" to MAYBE a 1/4" error but 3/4"??? Uhhh guys that is 100% sucktastic....

So Borgeson folks never heard of Statistical Process Control?

http://www.baldrige21.com/BALDRIGE%20REC...20Training.html

great...now you got me scared...i have my borgeson box mounted on qa1 k and gen 2 hemi...i already had to reconfigure my number 1 tube on my tti 2 1/8 header and get it re coated:( its not in car yet...but one thing i noticed about your pic is how crooked the box is...mine sits strait on my qa1 b body k frame...they messed that box up...send back and get new one..for me i have adjustment side to side on my new k and if i have to stick some shims like the factory did on some boxes i will..one thing for sure is i hate mopar power boxes even if they we sent to firm feel...the on center feeling sucks....and i am not going manual...had to many manual steering mopars which blow...keep us updated and i will let you know in a few weeks about mine..

SOB! My confidence is on a downward spiral. I thought these were new units being sold to us. The reason I bought this was for a NEW ps box, otherwise I should have kept my stage 3 FF box at less than half price. I'll have to wait till I can drive my car before I can comment further...

until then here's some pics of the headman headers I used - no fitment issues:





funny, now you mention it, reading your post I never knew that my steering shaft is on a angle, looks to be out about the 3/4" you mentioned...

Mine is at not as bad an angle,but, an angle none the less...

Dan can you measure the distance from centerline of input to centerline of output shafts? It looks like the input shafts are closer to the frame side by its design on the factory box.

Thanks for posting this. I was thinking of springing loose the coin for that box, sure glad I didn't now.

Sheldon