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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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04/29/14 08:46 PM
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Hey dan, the problems we have seen have been the opposite, good with small - just barely with the large sector, although according to them there is enough thread engagement. Im now wondering if its a quality control issue on their part
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: dangina]
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04/29/14 09:20 PM
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Hey dan, the problems we have seen have been the opposite, good with small - just barely with the large sector, although according to them there is enough thread engagement. Im now wondering if its a quality control issue on their part
If you do the facebook thing, here is a picture of a large sector with a factory replacement Pitman. Engagement was good, plenty of thread protrusion.
https://www.facebook.com/305030966187707...mp;notif_t=like
The small I just tested today with a Q/R Pitman had terrible engagement. Seems like the sector is too big or the taper is off.
I'll host pictures tomorrow once I finish checking the last arm.
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
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04/29/14 09:43 PM
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Hey dan, the problems we have seen have been the opposite, good with small - just barely with the large sector, although according to them there is enough thread engagement. Im now wondering if its a quality control issue on their part
 That's how I understood it too? 
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: dangina]
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04/29/14 11:44 PM
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You guys need to measure the thread length and the splined length and maybe figure out where the issue is for Borgeson. Could be the splined part is GTG and the threads are to short or the splined shaft is to big etc, etc,.
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: dangina]
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04/30/14 12:26 PM
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in the pick with the big sector, how many threads are showing when you get your 170lbs of torque? I got just about flush with the fast ratio, and slightly worse with the stock moog arm
I didn't want to torque it down since we are returning it. The pictures shown is with the nut hand tightened and the threaded portion is flush with the nut. There is full spline engagement.
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
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04/30/14 03:45 PM
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New stuff in, more bad news... So this is the box full right turn...  And this is the box full left...  I figured, maybe flipping the drag link may help.... And it's worse....  Back the way it should be and "centered" 
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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04/30/14 05:32 PM
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Good luck with that 67 idler. You must have more faith than I would. Your first picture looks the most "centered" out of all of them.
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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04/30/14 09:27 PM
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in the pick with the big sector, how many threads are showing when you get your 170lbs of torque? I got just about flush with the fast ratio, and slightly worse with the stock moog arm
I didn't want to torque it down since we are returning it. The pictures shown is with the nut hand tightened and the threaded portion is flush with the nut. There is full spline engagement.
Hmmm weird that they just said mine was fine and shrugged it off when your clearly getting better thread engagement. I still think its a quality control issue that needs to be addressed if everyone is getting different results with different arms. Im just so sick of pulling it off and on again and to ship it back to the states where they might take awhile with it and do nothing, I think ill just leave it the way it is for now and pull it out this winter. Summer is too close and I wanna drive the damn car 
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
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04/30/14 10:37 PM
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Some measurements of my small sector
length of threads: .97"
diameter or splines at big end: 1.12"
diameter of splines at small end: 1.05"
length of splines: .978"
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
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05/01/14 02:44 AM
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Here's a small sector box that was put in last week. Was delivered two weeks or less ago.
Pitman was a new 68-72 A-body regular power steering arm. Don't know the exact brand.
I did not measure the thickness of the pitman. I might be able to get back there and measure.
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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05/01/14 03:38 AM
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Torqued small sector with our Q/R arms. Last thread of nut isn't engaged.
thats the way mine looks but large sector:
which according boregson says its fine. Have you talked to them about this? I wonder if you'll get the same answer
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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05/01/14 10:41 PM
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ok guys...i will give you my experience...i was one of the of the first to buy a box...small sector..and i bought pro forged pitman non fast ratio..for my 70 charger..i bought moog pitman so i can do roller bearing mod..just ordered today by the way..but i mocked as is...any way i have many threads showing on engagement...my center link sits so level...if it was sitting flush like yours...my centerlink would be cocked one way...i would post pics but my set up is at shop right now...i will post some pics soon...hope this helps
70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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05/06/14 03:15 PM
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Thanks dan for posting about the dougs headers. Was wondering how they would fit. Almost bought a set - I bought the hedman headers instead because according to firm feel clear the fast ratio arms. Ill post if they clear the box in the next day or two
Last edited by dangina; 05/06/14 03:15 PM.
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Re: Borgeson / Pitman Fitment Issue
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05/06/14 04:59 PM
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Thanks dan for posting about the dougs headers. Was wondering how they would fit. Almost bought a set - I bought the hedman headers instead because according to firm feel clear the fast ratio arms. Ill post if they clear the box in the next day or two
To that point as well, Fast Ratio stuff will not clear the Dougs. Standard Ratio barely fit.
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