Broken oil pickup removal - Moparts Forums

Register Log In Moparts Forums Moparts Question and Answer Broken oil pickup removal

Print Thread

Page 2 of 2

1

2

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: 6PakBee] #1606303 04/14/14 11:20 PM 04/14/14 11:20 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Quote: ......I had the same problem with the stock Mopar 6 qt. pan, 1/2" pu in my Hemi...... That's interesting. I've seen two Hemi pickups fail in my short and uneventful life and in both cases the owners told me they didn't check to make sure the pickup contacted the pan. The other item I've noticed is that the stock pickups have rolled threads and the aftermarket ones I've seen have cut threads. IMHO the stress riser at the end of the cut thread is a problem just waiting to happen although I'll admit I haven't seen it cause a problem in practice. It depends on what the engine is subjected to. A screw in pick up is the weakest pickup design, the cut threads weakens the pickup. I bet there are better pickups for that motor. I broke a few off(custom welded pickup's)by big names and then the whole oil pump off a 572"BBC dragster even with a oil pump girdle...at least twice from tire shake. Then I went to external belt driven oil pumps with a wet sump pan because it is more reliable than a screwed in pickup or welded in like mine were pickups. Last edited by Challenger 1; 04/14/14 11:25 PM.

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: mickm] #1606304 04/15/14 12:56 PM 04/15/14 12:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,023 pa. D dan9 super stock
dan9 super stock D Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,023 pa.	If the easy outs don't work try an internal pipe wrench, they also are simple to use and they won't damage anything.

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: RapidRobert] #1606305 04/15/14 01:31 PM 04/15/14 01:31 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,751 Graham, WA P Polarapete top fuel
Polarapete top fuel P Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,751 Graham, WA	Quote: You might see if you can jamb a cheap HF NPT tap up there & get it to bite CCW into the piece Actually this could make things worse I once broke off a steel stud in the upper aluminum crankcase of a Honda CL360 motor (dissimilar metals) I got the stud out and while cleaning the threads with a bottoming tap, broke the tap in the hole Taps are very hard and it took hours of delicate grinding to get it out. I then had to tap the hole larger and put in an insert. You don't have enough room in the hole to go oversize before you ruin the block 1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction 1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver. 2008 Honda Element 2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: Challenger 1] #1606306 04/15/14 03:35 PM 04/15/14 03:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,095 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,095 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: Then I went to external belt driven oil pumps with a wet sump pan because it is more reliable than a screwed in pickup or welded in like mine were pickups. Are you running this setup in your STREET CARS ??

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: JohnRR] #1606307 04/15/14 04:07 PM 04/15/14 04:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Then I went to external belt driven oil pumps with a wet sump pan because it is more reliable than a screwed in pickup or welded in like mine were pickups. Are you running this setup in your STREET CARS ?? No but a 500+hp hemi should be able to put down some power and maybe shake the tires even on the street?

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: Challenger 1] #1606308 04/15/14 04:55 PM 04/15/14 04:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,095 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,095 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: Quote: Quote: Then I went to external belt driven oil pumps with a wet sump pan because it is more reliable than a screwed in pickup or welded in like mine were pickups. Are you running this setup in your STREET CARS ?? No but a 500+hp hemi should be able to put down some power and maybe shake the tires even on the street? Are you suggesting that the OP, and anyone else reading, run a belt driven oil pump system ?

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: JohnRR] #1606309 04/15/14 06:23 PM 04/15/14 06:23 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: Are you suggesting that the OP, and anyone else reading, run a belt driven oil pump system ? i doubt he is, just relating what he did. i have no problems putting another pickup in there and carrying on. i may use the milodon pickup that i got in vegas as opposed to the stock replacement though. i still haven't got to it, but i suspect i'll see some marks on the bottom inside of my pan, showing that when the engine fell/dropped onto the pan it tweaked the pickup a bit, and just took this much time to do its thing.

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: JohnRR] #1606310 04/15/14 06:25 PM 04/15/14 06:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Then I went to external belt driven oil pumps with a wet sump pan because it is more reliable than a screwed in pickup or welded in like mine were pickups. Are you running this setup in your STREET CARS ?? No but a 500+hp hemi should be able to put down some power and maybe shake the tires even on the street? Are you suggesting that the OP, and anyone else reading, run a belt driven oil pump system ? No I'm not, as the hemi already has a external oil pump unlike the BBC where there are many advantages to a external oil pump.

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: mickm] #1606311 04/15/14 08:22 PM 04/15/14 08:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,287 West Coast, USA jbc426 master
jbc426 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,287 West Coast, USA	Quote: Quote: Are you suggesting that the OP, and anyone else reading, run a belt driven oil pump system ? i doubt he is, just relating what he did. i have no problems putting another pickup in there and carrying on. i may use the milodon pickup that i got in vegas as opposed to the stock replacement though. i still haven't got to it, but i suspect i'll see some marks on the bottom inside of my pan, showing that when the engine fell/dropped onto the pan it tweaked the pickup a bit, and just took this much time to do its thing. I told you to quit doing wheelies! 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: jbc426] #1606312 04/15/14 08:45 PM 04/15/14 08:45 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: I told you to quit doing wheelies!

Re: Broken oil pickup removal UPDATE [Re: mickm] #1606313 04/16/14 02:31 AM 04/16/14 02:31 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	ok, so the pan does have a scratch in the bottom where the pickup would be sitting. so seems pretty conclusive: when the engine fell on the tire, the pan hit the pickup, which was enough to fatigue it where it screwed into the block, and after time it broke. bummer to have happened, but at least i know the cause.

Re: Broken oil pickup removal UPDATE [Re: mickm] #1606314 04/16/14 03:12 AM 04/16/14 03:12 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Engine autopsy without any clear cause of failure is the worst. This is the lesser of the evils. By Easter you should be ripping gears again, huh?

Re: Broken oil pickup removal UPDATE [Re: Kern Dog] #1606315 04/16/14 04:22 AM 04/16/14 04:22 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: Engine autopsy without any clear cause of failure is the worst. This is the lesser of the evils. By Easter you should be ripping gears again, huh? depends when easter is...

Re: Broken oil pickup removal UPDATE [Re: mickm] #1606316 04/16/14 12:53 PM 04/16/14 12:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,216 NO RUST IN AZ!!! A azmopar I Live Here
azmopar I Live Here A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,216 NO RUST IN AZ!!!	Quote: Quote: Engine autopsy without any clear cause of failure is the worst. This is the lesser of the evils. By Easter you should be ripping gears again, huh? depends when easter is... this Sunday 70 Challenger Convertible 340 six pak CLONE? 70 Duster real FM3 car 65 Dart Charger FOR SALE #NONIKESEVER A Real man aint afraid to drive PINK!!!! 67 Plymouth Valiant PILOT CAR 273 Commando 4 spd

Re: Broken oil pickup removal UPDATE [Re: mickm] #1606317 04/17/14 01:02 AM 04/17/14 01:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,882 Jefferson State S srt ESYC
srt ESYC S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,882 Jefferson State	another option to get the threaded portion out is to weld a washer with a similar diameter as the id of the pipe all around, then to that weld a nut. use a wrench and back it out. Weld won't take to the block and the heat should help release. I'd hesitate using anything that would force the pipe to a larger diameter and possibly mess up the block.

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1606318 04/19/14 02:19 AM 04/19/14 02:19 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	well, here it is. finally out. now time to put it all back together... 8117283-IMG_2280.jpg (146 downloads)

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: mickm] #1606319 04/20/14 12:42 AM 04/20/14 12:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,379 Houston,Tx. L Lee446 pro stock
Lee446 pro stock L Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,379 Houston,Tx.	Mick, that sure does not seem like enough of the pickup tube is engaged in the block. It looks like only about four threads. You may want to chase the threads with the proper tap.

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: Lee446] #1606320 04/20/14 12:51 AM 04/20/14 12:51 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,163 Mesa, Arizona D dart4forte I Live Here
dart4forte I Live Here D Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,163 Mesa, Arizona	Quote: Mick, that sure does not seem like enough of the pickup tube is engaged in the block. It looks like only about four threads. You may want to chase the threads with the proper tap. Wow, have to Still you dodged a big bullet

Re: Broken oil pickup removal [Re: Lee446] #1606321 04/20/14 04:14 AM 04/20/14 04:14 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: Mick, that sure does not seem like enough of the pickup tube is engaged in the block. It looks like only about four threads. You may want to chase the threads with the proper tap. i'll have to ask my friend where the crack was to make sure. i think there was another 1-2 threads in the block where it broke off. i will look into this. it is clear though that the problem was the pan hitting the pickup. there is a nice imprint of the pickup on the bottom of the pan. how many threads is a separate issue, so i will check into that...

Page 2 of 2

1

2

Moderated by Al_Alguire, Hotwheelsjr, moparts, not_a_charger, RangerDan440, tboomer

Hop To

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1