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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
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I can't believe how many mopar racers get turned on by the looks of a Hemi. Dollar for dollar ET wise the wedge wins. Sorry guys. Big egos don't win racers. Horsepower does. Now as always I am talking NA because to me that's all that counts. 
Hemi's are for old man's car so they can sit around with they hood up in their 10 second heavy weight, over-sized boat. 
That hurt 
Don't hurt me. The only correct statement in his post is that "Big egos don't win races". Although I do sit around cooking hot dogs between rounds with "my hood up".
 John has a case of penis envy ,we all know size matters  
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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
[Re: B G Racing]
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03/19/14 02:26 PM
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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
[Re: Mopar-Al]
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03/19/14 02:44 PM
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Hemi car will be worth alot more when you go to sell for a few dollars more invested. Just sayin 
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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
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03/19/14 03:07 PM
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I can't believe how many mopar racers get turned on by the looks of a Hemi.
I can't believe that you can't believe how many Mopar racers get turned on by the looks of a Hemi. It is beautiful.
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Dollar for dollar ET wise the wedge wins.
You can always find something cheaper that will run slower.
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Sorry guys. Big egos don't win racers. Horsepower does. Now as always I am talking NA because to me that's all that counts.
I guess someone N/A could outrun me but until this moment it has never entered my mind.
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Hemi's are for old man's car so they can sit around with they hood up in their 10 second heavy weight, over-sized boat.
Yes, Hemi's are for old men. And some are in big cars. But I rarely take my hood off at the track. At home it's off all the time so I can enjoy the beauty of it.
Yep, Hemis are for old men. Guys like Chris the Golden Greek, who qualified in TOP FUEL, at age 83!
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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
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03/19/14 03:25 PM
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I can't believe how many mopar racers get turned on by the looks of a Hemi. Dollar for dollar ET wise the wedge wins. Sorry guys. Big egos don't win racers. Horsepower does. Now as always I am talking NA because to me that's all that counts.
Hemi's are for old man's car so they can sit around with they hood up in their 10 second heavy weight, over-sized boat.
That hurt
Don't hurt me. The only correct statement in his post is that "Big egos don't win races". Although I do sit around cooking hot dogs between rounds with "my hood up".
John has a case of penis envy ,we all know size matters
Call this man right here, Bob George, tell him what you want, and let him build it for you. You will not be disappointed.
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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
[Re: camastomcat]
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03/19/14 06:58 PM
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If you want the most N/A power and would like to be one of the faster mopars on the track, build a wedge. If you don't need to be one of the faster cars, and really would like to have the looks of the hemi for nostalgia reasons, build a hemi. Without boost, hemis need to run much higher RPM's to make power, and high RPM's, wear out parts. Now if you run boost, it's a different story altogether. That's the main difference IMO.
That is the old school of thought quote right there, and it doesn't neccessarily hold true today...Build a 572 anything, and it should run pretty hard without any boost. No need to spin the big motors up that high unless you want to....
Me, I have one of each...Both run pretty good...Both get a lot of attention because I race in a class where there is primarily chevy's and ford's...Raced weekly, they both need maintenance, but the parts these days are better, so its just a choice....
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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
[Re: Steve1118]
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03/19/14 07:02 PM
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I don't have the money for either, but the Hemi will lurk in your mind until you build it.
In my way of thinking you need to build a Hemi because as I said it's lurking in your mind. You won't be satisfied until you do. But if you don't want to be disappointed, build a big motor to sit under the heads.
Hemis have incredible flow potential, even unported the Hemi head starts out at 300cfm+. To me that means that you need the biggest shortblock you can find to have the Hemi make max power at rpm levels you can live with.
You also need to think about compression and squish. It is true that a sphere has the lowest surface-to-volume ratio, but the combustion chamber of a GII Hemi is not a sphere, not even close. It looks more like a piece of orange peel or a skullcap with a thicker middle. Reading Hot Rod's Hemi issue last night, I was struck by the Garlits GII Hemi story, it didn't really start making power until he cranked spark advance up to 39 degrees and kept increasing until 51 degrees! That tells me the flame had to travel a long way and wasn't being helped by physical flame transport, as one gets in a wedge chamber with good squish. So find someone who has scienced out the chamber. IMHO this is really important.
For heads I would start at StageV Engineering. For the last several years they have made the best heads, and the quality is reportedly sky high.
Good Luck!
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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
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03/19/14 07:14 PM
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If you want the most N/A power and would like to be one of the faster mopars on the track, build a wedge. If you don't need to be one of the faster cars, and really would like to have the looks of the hemi for nostalgia reasons, build a hemi. Without boost, hemis need to run much higher RPM's to make power, and high RPM's, wear out parts. Now if you run boost, it's a different story altogether. That's the main difference IMO.
That is the old school of thought quote right there, and it doesn't neccessarily hold true today...Build a 572 anything, and it should run pretty hard without any boost. No need to spin the big motors up that high unless you want to....
Me, I have one of each...Both run pretty good...Both get a lot of attention because I race in a class where there is primarily chevy's and ford's...Raced weekly, they both need maintenance, but the parts these days are better, so its just a choice....
It's not old school of thought, it's fact. I've seen both and listened to people racing them, I've run and raced wedges for 28 years, and been around a lot of hemis. They never run quite like the B1's or B1/MC's unless they are of the SS variety, and they take expensive parts, like rocker gear and such. But I have always wanted a hemi too.
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Re: Wedge or (not vs.) Hemi?
[Re: camastomcat]
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03/19/14 08:02 PM
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It's a call that each one has to make, now that I've somewhat recovered emotionally from my friend John's callous comments, I'll try to give my serious take on it.
Depends on what you want. Using Chrysler parts, i.e., blocks, heads, etc., a Hemi will outrun a similar sized wedge any day. This is using factory heads, etc., and assuming it is in similar weight, size cars; with converters and setup pretty much the same.
Now, you get into the Indy stuff, and that is a different story. Same with B1, which is a real serious race head, but it is not a bolt on, either. Remember, you are still comparing that to factory Hemi stuff that was developed years ago.
Hemis are all I have ever raced, with any seriousness, and I've never found them to be much different on maintenance, etc., than anything else. Go over the valves fairly frequently, keep the fluids clean, etc., and you can race one for a long time.
But, even with that, I'll use my pal Ron McClelland's Buds Auto Sales NSS car as an example. He had a terrific 500 inch BG Indy motor in it for years, and it ran well, very well, indeed. It would go 10.0's at 135 in a 3600lbs. car, and do monster wheelstands. The car was very successful on the NSS circuit. A couple of years back he switched to a slightly larger 528 Hemi with good heads, good stuff....both motors were / are very, very good pieces. The result is that the car goes 9.50s @ 140 all the time. Now, 28 more inches did not do that. It was engine design.
At 7000 rpm; pound for pound, with good stuff, the Hemi still wins.
I love them both.....so don't beat me up too bad.....
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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