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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Supercuda] #1593677 03/16/14 12:38 PM 03/16/14 12:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	I think your gonna come out of this OK. First find the preload and check the geometry & post what you find. I dont think you generated more than the normal amount of shavings that happens during breakin just from the lifters clattering. Might just need a pushrod change. When the time comes cut 2 strips of paper for a ruler & turn the crank till the timing mark is 2&17/32" (40 deg) past TDC on #1 compression & spin the drill to preoil/confirm oiling to the pass side then turn the crank a bit further clockwise to 5" (79 deg) BTDC #6 compression & preoil/confirm oiling to the dr side. continue turning the crank a bit clockwise till it is at 15 BTDC for a wild cam or 10 BTDC for a mild cam & time the dist to the #6 plug wire if the dist has been removed for this. Read "breakin secrets" at www.mototuneusa.com live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: mopar346] #1593678 03/16/14 12:41 PM 03/16/14 12:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Reference using 273 rockers with a hydraulic cam. You just have to adjust them correctly. The T/A engine used adjsutables with hydraulic cams. They did not use 273 pushrods did they? They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Supercuda] #1593679 03/16/14 12:43 PM 03/16/14 12:43 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,836 Florida M mopar346 Let me tell ya about fat chicks!
mopar346 Let me tell ya about fat chicks! M Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,836 Florida	Not sure on that one, I did build a 273 a few yuears ago with a hydraulic and I used the original push rods and rockers. Careful, your character's showing!

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: mopar346] #1593680 03/16/14 12:49 PM 03/16/14 12:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,107 old westchester M mcat4321 master
mcat4321 master M Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,107 old westchester	i would guess switching to to 273 rockers could handle as much as .050 difference in push rod length.

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Telvis] #1593681 03/16/14 01:50 PM 03/16/14 01:50 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	If you're taking covers back off, take a look inside them too for any funky marking. Especially aftermarket ones.

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: RapidRobert] #1593682 03/16/14 02:18 PM 03/16/14 02:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,136 Western Md. skicker "The Champ"
skicker "The Champ" Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,136 Western Md.	Quote: I think your gonna come out of this OK. First find the preload and check the geometry & post what you find. I dont think you generated more than the normal amount of shavings that happens during breakin just from the lifters clattering. Might just need a pushrod change. When the time comes cut 2 strips of paper for a ruler & turn the crank till the timing mark is 2&17/32" (40 deg) past TDC on #1 compression & spin the drill to preoil/confirm oiling to the pass side then turn the crank a bit further clockwise to 5" (79 deg) BTDC #6 compression & preoil/confirm oiling to the dr side. continue turning the crank a bit clockwise till it is at 15 BTDC for a wild cam or 10 BTDC for a mild cam & time the dist to the #6 plug wire if the dist has been removed for this. Read "breakin secrets" at www.mototuneusa.com Are the rockers, push rods and top of the head covered with oil? I would want to rotate the crank while running a drill and make sure everything is getting oil prior to restarting for any reason. With that amount or run time you should have oil everywhere. I used stock 273 rockers on the Eddy heads with 0 problems but mine was in a solid lifter application. ...FAFO...

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: skicker] #1593683 03/16/14 03:23 PM 03/16/14 03:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	I may have missed some posts but I didn't see any reference to having the rocker shaft on correctly. If it not installed correctly you will have lots of rocker noise. Make sure that the notches on the shaft is down and toward the front on the drivers side and down and to the rear on the passenger side of the engine. If this is not followed there will be a lack of oil to the top end. It is also possible that all the lifters did not pump up and that shutting the engine back down and restarting will allow them to purge air out of them and to pump up.

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: skicker] #1593684 03/16/14 03:25 PM 03/16/14 03:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,882 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,882 Bend,OR USA	OP, how did you set the adjustment preload on the lifters? I'm almost positive that none of the 273 motors came with hydraulic lifters stock, so that means the pushrods you used are for solid lifters, not hydraulics There to long probally All of the OEM hydraulic lifters, both early and late, have a different cup hieght, higher, than the same year solid liftrs cup hieght so the push rods your using are probally to long collapsing the hydraulic lifters The 340 T/A, AAR Cuda motors had a special set of pushrods to make them work with hydraulic lifters, not the same lengths as the 273 solid lifter pushrods Let us know what you find out Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Cab_Burge] #1593685 03/16/14 03:48 PM 03/16/14 03:48 PM
Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 873 Keizer, Oregon U.S.A. E elmor353 super stock
elmor353 super stock E Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 873 Keizer, Oregon U.S.A.	68 and 69 273's came with hydraulic lifters, just like the 318.

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: elmor353] #1593686 03/16/14 04:27 PM 03/16/14 04:27 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	Ive used adjustable rockers on hydaulic valvetrain many times, just fine. They should be okay for use with any cam, if adjusted properly. As stated above, first thing that came to mind when I read the OP was "The rocker shafts are in backwards". Have you checked that yet? LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: StealthWedge67] #1593687 03/16/14 07:25 PM 03/16/14 07:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,664 Newfoundland M mopar_man master
mopar_man master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,664 Newfoundland	Hope you never used a one oil hole head gasket and then installed it backwards if that's possible. I believe oil for the heads comes from cam bearings through a gallery in the block , through the head gasket into the head and into the rocker back bone . I believe the oil comes up through the second from front dr. side rocker boss and the second from the back on the pass side . Its been 25 yrs since I built a 340 so I could be all messed up It seems to me its either head gaskets on wrong or rocker back bone on up side down .

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: StealthWedge67] #1593688 03/16/14 07:26 PM 03/16/14 07:26 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY Telvis OP mopar
Telvis OP mopar Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY	All of the rockers are oriented correctly. Already checked that. I primed the oil pump and turned the crank to make sure oil was flowing to both sides through all the passages. One thing I did notice this morning. The oil is thick, really thick almost like honey. Like to never got it to filter through the coffee filter. I noticed when I primed the pump before installing the motor that the oil was thick and kind of milky then but figured it was because of the cold temperatures. It was about 35 degrees this morning when I drained the oil and it was still just as thick. It might just be normal for the Rotella. I have never used it for break in before but read it is good. I also used Lucas break in additive. I am starting to wonder if a lighter oil with some break in additive might solve the problem. Would 10W-30 ( something other than Rotella) be too thin? I might give it a try tomorrow. Let it run a few minutes and see if it helps. Any reason this might be a bad idea? That's King Weenie to you!

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Telvis] #1593689 03/16/14 07:38 PM 03/16/14 07:38 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	"milky"?? as in color?

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: mikemee1331] #1593690 03/16/14 07:42 PM 03/16/14 07:42 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY Telvis OP mopar
Telvis OP mopar Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY	Quote: "milky"?? as in color? Yep, that was before the motor was ever turned. It was cold back when I primed everything. I had my heater on in the garage but it was still pretty cold. I figured to was because of the cold. That's King Weenie to you!

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Telvis] #1593691 03/16/14 07:45 PM 03/16/14 07:45 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: Quote: "milky"?? as in color? Yep, that was before the motor was ever turned. It was cold back when I primed everything. I had my heater on in the garage but it was still pretty cold. I figured to was because of the cold. if your oil is milky colored then you've got a coolant leak.

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Telvis] #1593692 03/16/14 07:49 PM 03/16/14 07:49 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY Telvis OP mopar
Telvis OP mopar Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY	The oil still had the same milky color to it this morning when I drained it. My initial thought was it's metal in the oil but I found no metal. I checked thoroughly with a very bright light. It's milky...That's the best way to describe it. I had a motor spin a rod bearing once many years ago. I know what metal in the oil looks like. This isn't metal. The oil is really thick and weird colored. It's brown and milkish.... I don't know any other way to explain it. That's King Weenie to you!

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Telvis] #1593693 03/16/14 07:51 PM 03/16/14 07:51 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,926 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,926 Kirkland, Washington	You have water in the oil.

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: mikemee1331] #1593694 03/16/14 07:53 PM 03/16/14 07:53 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY Telvis OP mopar
Telvis OP mopar Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY	Quote: Quote: Quote: "milky"?? as in color? Yep, that was before the motor was ever turned. It was cold back when I primed everything. I had my heater on in the garage but it was still pretty cold. I figured to was because of the cold. if your oil is milky colored then you've got a coolant leak. I don't think that's it. Like I said the oil was that way before the motor was installed in the car. There was no way for coolant to be in it then. It looks exactly the same now. It's not quite the same white milky color you get with antifreeze in the oil. Plus I don't think it ran long enough to get much if any in it. I'm pretty confident it's not that. That's King Weenie to you!

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Telvis] #1593695 03/16/14 07:57 PM 03/16/14 07:57 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY Telvis OP mopar
Telvis OP mopar Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 464 KY	I think from all the stuff I have read and all the input I have received its either the pushrod length is off or the oil was too darn thick. I'm going to check the pushrod length first. If that is OK I will add lighter weight oil with some additive for good measure and try again. If it still has noir atet a couple minutes i will shut it down and go back tot he drawing board. That's King Weenie to you!

Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!! [Re: Telvis] #1593696 03/16/14 08:30 PM 03/16/14 08:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 20 wilson nc J jpm1916 member
jpm1916 member J Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 20 wilson nc	Do you have the oil plug installed in the valley by the distributor? Forgot one once Didnt let the lifters pump up on that side.

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