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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: dogdays]
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03/18/14 09:22 PM
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I was surprised to read the shafts might be different. I have read some additional and I think you are right, it's bunk. Maybe someone has taken a grinder to the rocker to gain clearance for larger springs is what they appeared to be. When I talked to the Lunati rep he mentioned that the can is known to cause some valve train noise due tot he grind. Maybe I am worried for no reason. I will pull the valve cover tomorrow when I have time and double check the rocker to retainer, valve tip and look for rubbing. I will also check the preload more accurately with a good straightedge. If all looks good I am going to stop worrying and drive it. I definitely feel better knowing I have no metal in the oil. Thanks for the great advice and input! 
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: Telvis]
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03/19/14 06:47 PM
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When I talked to the Lunati rep he mentioned that the can is known to cause some valve train noise due tot he grind.
i don't believe this at all. this is a hydraulic cam and lifters not solid. are your lifters new, i've forgotten....
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: mikemee1331]
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03/19/14 06:54 PM
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When I talked to the Lunati rep he mentioned that the can is known to cause some valve train noise due tot he grind.
i don't believe this at all. this is a hydraulic cam and lifters not solid. are your lifters new, i've forgotten....
Yes Lunati hydraulic cams are known to have valve noise due to design.
Rocker shafts are the same from side to side but the notches on the ends of the shafts are down and forward on the drivers side and down to the rear on the rt.(passenger) side. Just like picking the rocker shaft and rockers off the drivers side and holding it and walking around and setting it down on the pass side without changing any position of it in your hands.
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: MoparforLife]
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03/19/14 06:59 PM
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When I talked to the Lunati rep he mentioned that the can is known to cause some valve train noise due tot he grind.
i don't believe this at all. this is a hydraulic cam and lifters not solid. are your lifters new, i've forgotten....
Yes Lunati hydraulic cams are known to have valve noise due to design.
Rocker shafts are the same from side to side but the notches on the ends of the shafts are down and forward on the drivers side and down to the rear on the rt.(passenger) side. Just like picking the rocker shaft and rockers off the drivers side and holding it and walking around and setting it down on the pass side without changing any position of it in your hands.
interesting! are we talking about a 'ticking' or a 'clacking'. i'm under the impression that the OP has A LOT of valve noise but i suppose thats relative 
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: mikemee1331]
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03/19/14 09:54 PM
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Lifters are new... The shafts are on correctly...The ticking isn't horrible but there is some valve train noise. it doesn't sound like the motor is coming apart or anything. Maybe I am too OCD about noises in the motor. I have never used aluminum heads before. I'm just a bit paranoid that something is going to go wrong. I can tell you the 318 it replaced never ticked. I had planned on going out and working on it tonight but I got home late and can't. Probably be Friday night before I can dig deeper into it.
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: Telvis]
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03/19/14 10:09 PM
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It doesn't sound like OCD at all but something that is bothersome. There's been posts on some brands of new lifters that are too noisy which I dont find acceptable. I would check your preload tho and I would press down vertical on each rocker arm on the pushrod end with a wooden hammer handle while idling & see if any of em make the noise get quieter which would indicate a defective lifter
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: Telvis]
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03/21/14 10:45 PM
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I forgot what eng? You might be able to fish the lifter up with the long handled tool that grabs it
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
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03/22/14 12:16 AM
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Rocker shafts are good....
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: StealthWedge67]
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03/22/14 10:12 AM
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If you think it's one rocker only you will need to do a complete check of the components. First pull the shafts and check the 4 valves on that side with a dial indicator you can use a sharp point in the end of the push rod and line the dial shaft straight up this will check the lift on the cam. Next measure and check straightness of the push rods. If the push rod is bent replace it and try again. If the lift is off you can lay a flat plate on the shaft locations and measure to the center of the lifter to see if it' not pumped up. Hopefully it's one of those two buy if it's not you will have to get the lifter out and measure the lift of the cam to see if the lobe is damaged. 
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: OldMoparMan]
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03/22/14 10:48 AM
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If you think it's one rocker only you will need to do a complete check of the components. First pull the shafts and check the 4 valves on that side with a dial indicator you can use a sharp point in the end of the push rod and line the dial shaft straight up this will check the lift on the cam. Next measure and check straightness of the push rods.
If the push rod is bent replace it and try again.
If the lift is off you can lay a flat plate on the shaft locations and measure to the center of the lifter to see if it' not pumped up.
Hopefully it's one of those two buy if it's not you will have to get the lifter out and measure the lift of the cam to see if the lobe is damaged.
Sounds like a wiped lope to me, hopefully not. 
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: Supercuda]
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03/22/14 12:13 PM
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I have a 318 that has less than 500 miles on it. I took the rockers and pushrods out of it and tried them in the 340 with the same results. I wanted to make sure it wasn't a pushrod or rocker. The same pushrod is loose. I marked all the pushrods with a sharpie and ran the motor briefly to confirm the lifters are spinning and they are all spinning about the same speed, including the one that has the loose pushrod....
Now, this is something I need to check on... Yesterday as I was doing my testing I had removed the passenger side valve cover and reinstalled it. As I was reinstalling it something lying n the intake manifold fell into the head. I immediately took the valve cover off and started looking for it. I stuck my finger into a puddle of oil in the head and felt a small disc and pulled it out. It looked almost like a watch battery. I figured it was something that fell onto the intake while I was installing the motor. I looked a little more to make sure there wasn't anything else and I found a washer. The washer was what I though fell into the head in the first place. It came off one of the bolts I used to lift the motor assembly with my cherry picker. I didn't give it much thought last night but the more I think about it I am afraid the disc was the tip of the valve. I'm going to go out in a bit and check. If that's the case, what can cause the valve tip to come off? I bough the heads used but they had little use and I and the machine shop check them over. I guess a broken valve tip would be better than a wiped cam...Not much but a little.
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: Telvis]
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03/22/14 12:39 PM
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Ding ding ding...We have a winner...er..loser! I just removed the rockers and it's the tip of the valve. I have attached a picture. I guess i'm lucky it didn't drop the valve. Looks like the head is coming off and roller rockers are going in after a new valve. Any idea what might have caused this? I don't wan't to do anything until I figure out what caused it. I don't want it to happen again.
Last edited by Telvis; 03/22/14 12:52 PM.
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: Dcuda69]
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03/22/14 12:49 PM
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The disc was the tip of the valve. Fortunately the piece broke off and the keeper clips stayed on. I have no idea what might have caused this. Maybe it was something pre existing from the previous owner of the heads? Too much preload? I don't wan't to do anything until I have an idea what caused it. I have a fresh set of smog J heads with new valves and springs that I am tempted to swap out for the aluminum heads. This is frustrating! 
Last edited by Telvis; 03/22/14 12:53 PM.
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Re: Think I may have messed up...Help!!!!!
[Re: Telvis]
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03/22/14 01:17 PM
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Congrats on finding the problem! Like you said, good thing it didn't drop the valve.
It's Swifty! Swifty, you toad sucker!
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