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Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: SoCalRacer] #1591343
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maybe try it out on the fuel tank,and see if it works there too....


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Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: dakotawilly] #1591344
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Thanks for all the wise a$$ replys !
I didn't think I was that dumb....lol
Probably just go with the 10" deep super stock pan. And the "battleship" valve springs,



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Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1591345
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Bob I have been running static pickups for years. Just wondering why this won't work. The pickup in the pan has the fitting screwed into it. Was wondering if I could just eliminate the pickup





Let us know how that works out for you




3 months later

What happened to my bearings?

I got a bright idea to try something new so I removed my proven set-up and tried just using a fitting in the pan. I noticed some fluctuating oil pressure on my gauge but it was only during accelerating, braking, and gear changes. WHAT HAPPENED??????





Ha ha .... I guess I don't know anything, that's why my bearings look new, after 98 nitrous passes.... Yea thanks for telling me.


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Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: dakotawilly] #1591346
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maybe try it out on the fuel tank,and see if it works there too....





I guess your fuel tank has a milodon pick up in it ?


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Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: n20mstr] #1591347
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maybe try it out on the fuel tank,and see if it works there too....





I guess your fuel tank has a milodon pick up in it ?





Mine has foam and a sump



Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: Mopar-Al] #1591348
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you know the old saying,"ya cant say it didn't work till ya try it"even if everybody laughs.everyone is guilty of that at one time in there life............

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Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: n20mstr] #1591349
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Bob I have been running static pickups for years. Just wondering why this won't work. The pickup in the pan has the fitting screwed into it. Was wondering if I could just eliminate the pickup





Let us know how that works out for you




3 months later

What happened to my bearings?

I got a bright idea to try something new so I removed my proven set-up and tried just using a fitting in the pan. I noticed some fluctuating oil pressure on my gauge but it was only during accelerating, braking, and gear changes. WHAT HAPPENED??????





Ha ha .... I guess I don't know anything, that's why my bearings look new, after 98 nitrous passes.... Yea thanks for telling me.





98 nitrous passes???? Then why are you asking if it will work?

Bob I have been running static pickups for years. Just wondering why this won't work. The pickup in the pan has the fitting screwed into it. Was wondering if I could just eliminate the pickup


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Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1591350
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our new charlies pan is sort of set up that way, it has a 1 inch secondary sump with a oval hole separating it from the rest of the pan. there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off. no matter what there is always some oil trapped in the bottom sump.

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: nitrousr] #1591351
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our new charlies pan is sort of set up that way, it has a 1 inch secondary sump with a oval hole separating it from the rest of the pan. there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off. no matter what there is always some oil trapped in the bottom sump.





"there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off."

That my friend IS your pick up!

Now just a fitting in the side of the pan? I wouldn't attempt it unless I was running 5 gallons of oil in the sump

OP why is it that you do not want to run a pick up? To save weight, to save money, to be different, to boldly go where no man has gone before??

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: roadhazard] #1591352
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OP you have a PM

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: roadhazard] #1591353
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our new charlies pan is sort of set up that way, it has a 1 inch secondary sump with a oval hole separating it from the rest of the pan. there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off. no matter what there is always some oil trapped in the bottom sump.





"there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off."

That my friend IS your pick up!

Now just a fitting in the side of the pan? I wouldn't attempt it unless I was running 5 gallons of oil in the sump

OP why is it that you do not want to run a pick up? To save weight, to save money, to be different, to boldly go where no man has gone before??




Post of the day. Nuff said.

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: BobR] #1591354
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our new charlies pan is sort of set up that way, it has a 1 inch secondary sump with a oval hole separating it from the rest of the pan. there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off. no matter what there is always some oil trapped in the bottom sump.





"there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off."

That my friend IS your pick up!

Now just a fitting in the side of the pan? I wouldn't attempt it unless I was running 5 gallons of oil in the sump

OP why is it that you do not want to run a pick up? To save weight, to save money, to be different, to boldly go where no man has gone before??




Post of the day. Nuff said.




It will only pick up at the start of the cut point...
the rest of the tube is a waste

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1591355
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"there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off."

That my friend IS your pick up!

Now just a fitting in the side of the pan? I wouldn't attempt it unless I was running 5 gallons of oil in the sump

OP why is it that you do not want to run a pick up? To save weight, to save money, to be different, to boldly go where no man has gone before??




Post of the day. Nuff said.




It will only pick up at the start of the cut point...
the rest of the tube is a waste





This will be a perfect place for me to use this guy i was to caught up in thinking about a "traditional" pickup to realize thats what the tube was doing lol. Question? if it only pulls at the start of the cut point which is at the edge of the pan wouldnt just the fitting do the same thing in theory?

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This will be a perfect place for me to use this guy i was to caught up in thinking about a "traditional" pickup to realize thats what the tube was doing lol. Question? if it only pulls at the start of the cut point which is at the edge of the pan wouldnt just the fitting do the same thing in theory?




The tube after the cut portion has zero suction so
the added tube is waste... the fitting would be the
high suction area.. I tried multiple pick ups in
the valley on my dry sump... it would suck from the
open fitting and not the one in the oil until both
fittings were covered

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: nitrousr] #1591357
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This will be a perfect place for me to use this guy i was to caught up in thinking about a "traditional" pickup to realize thats what the tube was doing lol. Question? if it only pulls at the start of the cut point which is at the edge of the pan wouldnt just the fitting do the same thing in theory?





Please refer to my previous quote of running 5 gallons of oil in the sump if that's the pick up you choose to use

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: roadhazard] #1591358
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The pump will suck the substance of least resistance - oil or air. Virtually every pickup will be close to and directed at the bottom of the pan to try to keep it covered. Most will continue to draw oil down to about 1/4" depth (or the height of the pickup). A single bulkhead fitting with a 5/8" opening installed in the side of the pan will end up with the top of the opening considerably higher than any pickup, subsequently raising the minimum required oil level to keep it covered. Assuming the fitting is on one side of the pan, it will be momentarily uncovered any time the car turns in the direction of the pickup (it doesn't take much speed to move all that oil to one side of the pan!) and the pump will suck air (even if its partially uncovered).

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: nitrousr] #1591359
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A lot of dry sump pickups use the slotted tube approach although I have several dry sump pans that have a conventional box pickup.

The pickup in my dry sump tank is a tube with the end cut at an angle.

A bulkhead fitting might not work very well as a pickup due to the potential for having a vortex form in the opening. I think that is why the openings are usually slotted or bell shaped but I haven't really spent much time thinking about it.

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: AndyF] #1591360
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A lot of dry sump pickups use the slotted tube approach although I have several dry sump pans that have a conventional box pickup.

The pickup in my dry sump tank is a tube with the end cut at an angle.

A bulkhead fitting might not work very well as a pickup due to the potential for having a vortex form in the opening. I think that is why the openings are usually slotted or bell shaped but I haven't really spent much time thinking about it.




All my pick ups are just beveled tubes(dry sump)

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1591361
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our new charlies pan is sort of set up that way, it has a 1 inch secondary sump with a oval hole separating it from the rest of the pan. there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off. no matter what there is always some oil trapped in the bottom sump.





"there is an aluminum tube running across the sump with bottom half of the tube cut off."

That my friend IS your pick up!

Now just a fitting in the side of the pan? I wouldn't attempt it unless I was running 5 gallons of oil in the sump

OP why is it that you do not want to run a pick up? To save weight, to save money, to be different, to boldly go where no man has gone before??




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It will only pick up at the start of the cut point...
the rest of the tube is a waste





I would have to see the pickup.

Re: External oil pan pickup ? [Re: BobR] #1591362
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Multiple stage dry sumps are different than wet sumps. They scavenge oil better then put the oil into a tank where the air can seperate. What works with dry sumps may not necessarily work in a wet sump system where it's critical to keep the pickup always submerged. Swinging pickups follow the oil under acceleration, decelleration and lateral G's.

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