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Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: autoxcuda] #157510
11/29/08 11:15 AM
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Yep, the QA1/1.14 bar combo is actually quite civilized - even my wife doesn't mind riding in the car, and the roads around here aren't great. I woudln't consider any T-bar upgrade over 1" without including quality (Bilstein/KONI/QA1/etc) shocks as part of the upgrade. If you want an exercise in frustration, try the big bar / generic shock combo some time. KYB's, if you're a real glutton for punishment. BTDT. You COULD put quality shocks on smaller t-bars and see an improvement, but not vice versa.

Clair

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: Clair_Davis] #157511
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Are the QA1s twin tube or mono tube?

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #157512
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Are the QA1s twin tube or mono tube?


Does anyone have a web add for or to get QA1s?

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: 71rm23] #157513
11/29/08 05:22 PM
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Are the QA1s twin tube or mono tube?


Does anyone have a web add for or to get QA1s?




That's a good question. I've yet to find any of the QA1's for my application? Where do you get 'em

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: 68Bullit] #157514
11/29/08 05:36 PM
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I got a set from summit.

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #157515
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Are the QA1s twin tube or mono tube?




The ones that are being sold by Summit are labeled twin tube. They don't say QA1 however, but it appears they have the adjustment option while on the car FWIW.

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: 68Bullit] #157516
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Chances are they are not a true adjustment, just an internal oil restricter. Typically, the higher line monotubes have an adjustment on the top.

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #157517
11/30/08 01:06 AM
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1 USCartool subframe connectors
2 Firm Feel Box
3 Praise-Dyno drum upgrade
4 P-S-T Kit

Different machine now. Straight, rigid, handling. Can stop it now too. 69 Coronet R/T.

Wish I had done these years ago. Rattles, steering correction, front end noise gone now.

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #157518
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The popular, single adjustable QA1 are a twin tube design. Their single adjustment switching simultanously changes rebound and compression, unlike other adjustable shocks that only adjust rebound. Their double adjustable allows rebound and compression to be adjusted independently of each other.

QA1, Carrera and HAL are all owned by the same parent company, BTW.

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: 68Bullit] #157519
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The ones that are being sold by Summit are labeled twin tube. They don't say QA1 however, but it appears they have the adjustment option while on the car FWIW.



Says QA1:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail...mp;autoview=sku

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: 68Bullit] #157520
11/30/08 12:50 PM
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Are the QA1s twin tube or mono tube?


Does anyone have a web add for or to get QA1s?




That's a good question. I've yet to find any of the QA1's for my application? Where do you get 'em




I got mine on Summit Racing for about $139/ea. IIRC, it's the same price for most all of their "Stocker Star" aluminum-body single-adjustable shocks. They have Mopar applications, but I don't think they break it down to A/B/C/E/F-body, etc. I actually have GM A-body shocks on my Valiant, since they are slightly shorter and a better fit for my lowered suspension. It was just a matter of simple tweaks (bushing sleeves & a 1/2" drill bit) to get them to fit perfectly.

I'm very happy with my single-adjustables, but will probably get double-adjustables some time in the future - after I get some more time in the car.

Clair

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: Clair_Davis] #157521
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I had single adjustables myself, from Varishock. Similar to QA1, but all american made. Can't say I liked the valving. Needed to crank them up in the front 10 clicks on a 16 scale to control the front, which made the ride pretty harsh. In the rear I needed very little valving which is basically non-existant on these types of shocks.

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #157522
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Hey Pete,


I always value your input/ experience .....you have any thoughts or experience with the AFCO T2's?........for a B and E body applications?..... track/ street car,

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Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #157523
12/01/08 09:17 AM
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Hey, Pete,
The QA1's have 12 clicks of adjustment and I've got my 1.14" bars on 7/12 up from full soft, and the rears are on 5/12 up from full soft on ESPO 6-leaf HD springs (~150#/in). IMHO, the adjustment clicks are pretty significant chunks, but probably won't be a problem for 90% of folks looking to upgrade shocks to control big springs.

BTW, are you saying that QA1's are something other than USA-made? I thought they were, and I'm just curious.

Clair

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: Clair_Davis] #157524
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No experience with the T2s. I can say that a monotube seems to react faster to changing conditions, and doesn't have the propensity to overheat when the going gets tough.

Clair - Your setup isn't tailhappy? I'd think that setup would be pretty oversprung in the rear making it very lose. What track/autocross experience do you have with the current setup?

Re: Want to upgrade suspension. Need advice [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #157525
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In general, a monotube shock is going to be a better performer for longer than a similar twin tube for a couple of reasons. 1) a mono-tube is using a greater amount of the internal area of the shock for fluid control, hence minor adjustments will have a bigger impact. 2) Twin tube shocks have the tubes isolated from the shock body so they are not as efficient at disappating heat as a mono-tube that can pass heat directly through the shock body.

However, for most street driving and even autocross, a twin tube of a good design, especially an adjustable one, will deliver a huge gain in performance over a junk designed mono-tube. For sustained high speed laps or competition, a well designed mono-tube or remote reservour design would be needed

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