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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
[Re: rftroy]
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02/07/14 06:38 PM
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Does your car have the choke mechanism connected?
If not, is the choke well on the driver's side?
Pictures.
Robert
Maybe on cars converted for right hand side drive. No choke wells on the Mopar V8 engines where made on the drivers side produce ever for domestic consumption  Me thinks you meantto say the passenger side, correct  
OP, the best new RB intake out there for street and strip use is the Edlbrock RPM Performer    they work well on both B and RB motors, especially on mild motors with converters that stall less than 4000 RPM IHTHs BTW, if you want to buy one of the stock throttle cable brackets in very good shape PM me
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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02/07/14 07:16 PM
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No Cab, what I was getting at is whether the intake manifold is put on backward.
I've seen this done before, in my youth. A guy put his manifold on backwards and used a holley with a mechanical choke. So now the coil mounting holes that should be at the front near the distributor are in the back on the driver's side.
This guy also had some bracket rigged up for the throttle cable, which was only held down with one bolt, in one of the now incorrectly positioned holes. He had to occasionally pull over and tighten the bolt because his bracket would start to rotate.
If the OP is looking at the manifold backward, he may think that he coil mounting holes are actually holes for the throttle bracket. In this case, the choke well would be on, incorrectly, the driver's side.
The manifold can be put on backward if it has a symmetrical pattern for both the carb hold down holes and the carb bore holes. Depending upon the carburetor, there can be issues with the throttle components hitting the choke well. But, never underestimate the cleverness of a hotrodder to find workarounds.
The way the OP is referring to the "hole", singular, for the bracket, the more I am thinking he has the manifold backward.
But, a PICTURE would tell all.
Robert
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
[Re: floridian]
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02/08/14 12:50 PM
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Well, I keep forgetting to take a pic of my car intake/kickdown area. To be honest I havent looked at it for a couple of years, it was in storage in Oregon after I moved to Florida, and it just got her a week ago.. I have been packing this aluminum intake around and thought it would be nice to install it with a new edelbrock carb.
From what I can tell it is the stock intake that came on my car when it was built in late 66. If is the car in the pic. 67 R/T with its original 440/727. Everything else is original to the car in the engine compartment. Pretty sure it has a flat area that the cable/brackets sit on with a bracket that bolts to the intake manifold.
The Aluminum intake I have does not have a mounting/bolt hole on it for securing this bracket to. So I was wondering if I could purchase a new intake that had the mounting area for the bracket so I could install it on my car.. NON of the pics I see, for aluminum intakes for 440 engines, seem to have this THREADED BOLT hole that the bracket bolts into, for the cables..
You need to go back and A) look at your car , and B) look at the picture I posted in the other thread ... here I posted it for you .... the original bracket for your car does NOT bolt to the intake , NEVER did , it is held in place by the rearmost bolt that holds the intake to the head the intake you currently have is not incorrect, you swap the intake and put the bracket back in the same spot.
If you are going to run an Ebrock carb you need to get the Mopar adapter bracket so your stock linkage will work correctly.
Also DO NOT under ANY circumstances buy the Performer Series 750 , it is a total POS ... Buy a Thunder series AVS.
On top of this (edelbrock info) John but I do appreciate the info..
I answered this in my other post ( thanks) The bracket you show above I believe is correct ( yes I have the 3 piece linkage) but I think it bolts to the hole where the throttle cable bracket bolts on the intake manifold..
No the throttle cable AND the kickdown both connect to the same bracket that I posted above .
WHAT intake do you have that you want to swap on ?
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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02/09/14 01:55 PM
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FWIW if I were in your shoes and looking at weight savings only and not performance and all I was considering was changing the intake, I would just skip it. You won't be saving enough weight to make a difference and it's not worth the hassle unless you're just wanting to do it for the fun. My own goal was to make my 440 as light as a stock small block. Aluminum water pump, housing and intake, TTI headers, Sanden AC compressor, and some day I'll add eddy heads. If you're dead set on doing it, Edelbrock Performer (non RPM) is about the "newest" design that's very similar to stock but from what I've read, it's just a mirror opposite of an older runner design (CH4B???). The older CH4B and Offy 360 will do the same. I don't know how folks claim they can use the stock throttle and kickdown on an RPM without tweaking the cable and linkage north about an inch. I'm building mine now and it ain't happening with stock linkage. Andy's (ARE) bracket is awesome and the best solution I've seen. 
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
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02/09/14 02:14 PM
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I think, at this point and by lack of response and pictures, that the OP has figured out his intake is on backwards and has slunk off.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
[Re: rftroy]
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02/09/14 02:28 PM
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No Cab, what I was getting at is whether the intake manifold is put on backward.
I've seen this done before, in my youth. A guy put his manifold on backwards and used a holley with a mechanical choke. So now the coil mounting holes that should be at the front near the distributor are in the back on the driver's side.
This guy also had some bracket rigged up for the throttle cable, which was only held down with one bolt, in one of the now incorrectly positioned holes. He had to occasionally pull over and tighten the bolt because his bracket would start to rotate.
If the OP is looking at the manifold backward, he may think that he coil mounting holes are actually holes for the throttle bracket. In this case, the choke well would be on, incorrectly, the driver's side.
The manifold can be put on backward if it has a symmetrical pattern for both the carb hold down holes and the carb bore holes. Depending upon the carburetor, there can be issues with the throttle components hitting the choke well. But, never underestimate the cleverness of a hotrodder to find workarounds.
The way the OP is referring to the "hole", singular, for the bracket, the more I am thinking he has the manifold backward.
But, a PICTURE would tell all.
Robert
I sort of skimmed past this .. .sorry ...
I think I see what the problem the OP thinks he may have ... the alum intake he wants to put on does not have a choke well and since you can put the intake on with either end forward he is THINKING the mount pads for the COIL MOUNT are for the throttle linkage bracket? Maybe the intake he has is one of the many aftermarket intakes with the coil mount on the opposite side of where stock Chrysler manifolds have them ?
Just a guess ???
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
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02/10/14 01:14 AM
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The firing order on my intake is marked 3614025 but when I hook up the plug wires that way the engine doesn't run very well.
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
[Re: floridian]
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02/10/14 11:07 AM
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OK, sorry for the delayed response ( I only have online access at work).. I am getting old and and its been a long time since I assembled the engine..
Johns pic of the bracket that bolts to the very back intake bolt is correct.. I must of been thinking of the throttle cable bolting to this bracket.. thanks for all of the help on here, if I want to use the aluminum intake I have I will use one of Andy's brackets.
You don't need that bracket the factory one will work w/ almost every intake on the market.
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
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02/10/14 11:42 AM
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OK, sorry for the delayed response ( I only have online access at work).. I am getting old and and its been a long time since I assembled the engine..
Johns pic of the bracket that bolts to the very back intake bolt is correct.. I must of been thinking of the throttle cable bolting to this bracket.. thanks for all of the help on here, if I want to use the aluminum intake I have I will use one of Andy's brackets.
You don't need that bracket the factory one will work w/ almost every intake on the market.
Exactly ... he still hasn't said what intake he has ...
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
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02/10/14 12:01 PM
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OK, sorry for the delayed response ( I only have online access at work).. I am getting old and and its been a long time since I assembled the engine..
Johns pic of the bracket that bolts to the very back intake bolt is correct.. I must of been thinking of the throttle cable bolting to this bracket.. thanks for all of the help on here, if I want to use the aluminum intake I have I will use one of Andy's brackets.
You don't need that bracket the factory one will work w/ almost every intake on the market.
Exactly ... he still hasn't said what intake he has ...
OK, Manifold has been in storage for 2 years, not sure what is it besides a dual plane.. Probably an edelbrock...
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Re: Any good new aluminum 440 intakes for sale
[Re: floridian]
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02/10/14 01:36 PM
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OK, sorry for the delayed response ( I only have online access at work).. I am getting old and and its been a long time since I assembled the engine..
Johns pic of the bracket that bolts to the very back intake bolt is correct.. I must of been thinking of the throttle cable bolting to this bracket.. thanks for all of the help on here, if I want to use the aluminum intake I have I will use one of Andy's brackets.
You don't need that bracket the factory one will work w/ almost every intake on the market.
Exactly ... he still hasn't said what intake he has ...
OK, Manifold has been in storage for 2 years, not sure what is it besides a dual plane.. Probably an edelbrock...
As long as it is not an RPM you should be fine using your current linkage setup , make sure to readjust it after the change over.
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