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Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head #1567126
01/22/14 03:32 PM
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I do not doubt that a Cometic Coated Steel-Shim gasket will seal well.
I am more wondering if the raised ridges of the gasket will wear the head over time?

Also with a .039 Fel-Pro I will have .056 quench
.027 Cometic-------------..044````
This on a street driven,boosted 440.

Don`t know if its even with the effort????
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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 6bblFLASH] #1567127
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Switched to them on my aluminum headed Hemi for a couple of years now. Had it apart a couple of times, and have not seen anything. The heads were decked just prior to switching to Cometics though...Had run steel shim stockers for years prior with the aluminum heads.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 6bblFLASH] #1567128
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New heads/motor


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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 6bblFLASH] #1567129
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I ran the fel-pro gaskets they would dig into the Aluminum. With the cometic gaskets heads surface always looks good.

Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: JD Dart] #1567130
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The Cometics don't seem to groove the aluminium heads like the heavy fire ring on the composite gaskets.

Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: B G Racing] #1567131
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The Cometics don't seem to groove the aluminium heads like the heavy fire ring on the composite gaskets.




My experience also.

Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: sg66mopar] #1567132
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The Cometics don't seem to groove the aluminium heads like the heavy fire ring on the composite gaskets.




My experience also.





CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1567133
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Okay.
Nothing but positive response.
Cometics it is.

Thanks


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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 6bblFLASH] #1567134
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Never run Cometics but I think you'll need a special finish put on the deck/heads in order for them to seal properly. If your stuff is already finish machined then it could be pretty costly to use them.

Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 80fbody] #1567135
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Nothing but good experiences with Cometic gaskets in my engines.

My last engine did not have the deck surface of the block machined and the gaskets sealed with no problem for 6 years with Indy heads.

Would recommend for used in most engines.


65' Belvedere

496'' Stroker
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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 80fbody] #1567136
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As long as your deck surfaces weren't cut on an old or dull rotary broach, or any type of cutter that leaves a rough surface, then you should be OK.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 80fbody] #1567137
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Never run Cometics but I think you'll need a special finish put on the deck/heads in order for them to seal properly. If your stuff is already finish machined then it could be pretty costly to use them.




I've gotten away without the smooth finish a couple times but my last motor just started dripping a little water out he back I noticed last week. It's been together for 6 months or so and I had to pull the head once to fix a rod and reused the gasket with permatex copper spray.


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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: d7cook] #1567138
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Cometic wants a 50Ra or smoother finish


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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 80fbody] #1567139
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Never run Cometics but I think you'll need a special finish put on the deck/heads in order for them to seal properly. If your stuff is already finish machined then it could be pretty costly to use them.




If you feel your deck finish is too rough,use a good coating of Alumispray or Copperspray from Permatex,allow to get tacky then install.

Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: B G Racing] #1567140
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Never run Cometics but I think you'll need a special finish put on the deck/heads in order for them to seal properly. If your stuff is already finish machined then it could be pretty costly to use them.




If you feel your deck finish is too rough,use a good coating of Alumispray or Copperspray from Permatex,allow to get tacky then install.





Well not sure what a RA50 feels like,but the block is OEM 1969 and the heads are new out of the box MP heads.
CopperCoat anyway just as a precaution?


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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 6bblFLASH] #1567141
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Yes, I would copper coat as a precaution. And yes I understand that 50,000 people put them together dry and they don't leak but if I don't use copper coat it might seep.


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Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: rickseeman] #1567142
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Yes, I would copper coat as a precaution. And yes I understand that 50,000 people put them together dry and they don't leak but if I don't use copper coat it might seep.



I always spray mine. Spray in between the layers too.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1567143
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You guys have no problems reusing them after copper coating the layers on the first use?

Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1567144
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Yes, I would copper coat as a precaution. And yes I understand that 50,000 people put them together dry and they don't leak but if I don't use copper coat it might seep.



I always spray mine. Spray in between the layers too.




We cut all but one rivit off and spray all sides when using multiple times.Caution must be taken to see if any of the rivits interfere between the head and deck.

Re: Cometic Head Gasket/ Aluminum Head [Re: 80fbody] #1567145
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You guys have no problems reusing them after copper coating the layers on the first use?



Nope. When I reuse them, I just clean them off w/ gas or some type of solvent, then respray and install.

Like Bob said, make sure the rivets aren't in b/t the head and the block...the ones on my wedge motor were and had to remove them.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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