Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: 69 RR 727 or PG *DELETED* [Re: Triple Threat] #1566996
01/23/14 08:08 PM
01/23/14 08:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
M
Monte_Smith Offline
master
Monte_Smith  Offline
master
M

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
Post deleted by Monte_Smith

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: Monte_Smith] #1566997
01/23/14 09:21 PM
01/23/14 09:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 296
Ontario Canada
H
Hutch Offline
enthusiast
Hutch  Offline
enthusiast
H

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 296
Ontario Canada
You can play with stock cases and gearsets all you want Monte and that's fine if a guy is local and wants to take chances. When a guy is not your neighbour your not doing him a favor by suggesting to build a trans for 700HP out of a trans that was designed around 190HP.
Builds have a lot of variables and the prices will reflect that in most cases. You can say 10 clutch drum for example and I can say which one? Those not knowing can get them in many different forms which some are a bit junky. Planetaries are the same as there are too many variables then we get into pumps, VB's etc.

This is why the prices vary. Now if you think a stock case is good or "you are getting away with it" that's fine but if a guy was going to build a 2000HP motor, would you use a stock block? I hope you can see where im coming from here. Im not saying you can't do it but in many cases its just foolish to try.


Hutch

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG *DELETED* [Re: Hutch] #1566998
01/24/14 01:42 AM
01/24/14 01:42 AM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
M
Monte_Smith Offline
master
Monte_Smith  Offline
master
M

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
Post deleted by Monte_Smith

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: Hutch] #1566999
01/24/14 01:58 AM
01/24/14 01:58 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,667
Arizona
C
Chris'sBarracuda Offline
master
Chris'sBarracuda  Offline
master
C

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,667
Arizona
Quote:

You can play with stock cases and gearsets all you want Monte and that's fine if a guy is local and wants to take chances. When a guy is not your neighbour your not doing him a favor by suggesting to build a trans for 700HP out of a trans that was designed around 190HP.
Builds have a lot of variables and the prices will reflect that in most cases. You can say 10 clutch drum for example and I can say which one? Those not knowing can get them in many different forms which some are a bit junky. Planetaries are the same as there are too many variables then we get into pumps, VB's etc.

This is why the prices vary. Now if you think a stock case is good or "you are getting away with it" that's fine but if a guy was going to build a 2000HP motor, would you use a stock block? I hope you can see where im coming from here. Im not saying you can't do it but in many cases its just foolish to try.


Hutch






Have always used stock case..

3000# 900+ hp..

I use a good turbo input shaft good 10 disc clutch pack and a good aftermarket gear set.

Have only broke 1 gear set and that was an aftermarket one.. Go figure.. Never broke a 1.76..

To each his own.. Been using a glide since 1993..

I have 3 back up transmissions just in case.. Cost is less than 1 Super Duper trans..

Carry On..



Chris..

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #1567000
01/24/14 05:01 AM
01/24/14 05:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 296
Ontario Canada
H
Hutch Offline
enthusiast
Hutch  Offline
enthusiast
H

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 296
Ontario Canada
I can compare success stories of some of the crap I have flung together over the years including a blown alky dragster that was one of the first in 5's with a stock case but back then we didn't have an option as the Reid case was about to come out but had not yet. If you decide to use that stuff its a game of luck is my point more than anything here.


Hutch

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: MRMOPAR622] #1567001
01/24/14 08:13 AM
01/24/14 08:13 AM
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 102
Australia
P
Project kickin A Offline
member
Project kickin A  Offline
member
P

Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 102
Australia
My 727 with converter weighs 140lb, my t/b glide with converter weighs 120lb. my glide has JW bell and roll tail but still stock body

jus sayin

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: Monte_Smith] #1567002
01/24/14 09:22 AM
01/24/14 09:22 AM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,910
Eighty Four, PA
B G Racing Offline
master
B G Racing  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,910
Eighty Four, PA
Quote:

Oh, I am not arguing the point Hutch and I already said that I would NOT do it myself, but I know guys that have

Monte





That say's a lot right there You would NOT do it yourself,but will recommend that others do it,and you base that on what someone else does.Our opinion was based on what we do and our experience and from opinions of people we trust like Craig at Coan and Paul at TA.If what you say is the Facts according to you then we don't need billit drums and LBVs in our TFs either.So no matter what weight or HP level just take your word that others have done it and if anyone listens to you will be safe and satisfied.As far as your offer to sell me PGs at a great price I would rather deal with someone who would recommend what I need for my particular application and with my safety in mind not recommend what "they know others" have done.So don't be looking for any trans orders from BGR anytime soon.

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: B G Racing] #1567003
01/24/14 09:50 AM
01/24/14 09:50 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,667
Arizona
C
Chris'sBarracuda Offline
master
Chris'sBarracuda  Offline
master
C

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,667
Arizona
WOW.. Really.??


And Hemi Fred uses what trans in his Hemi Duster that you did the engine for..



Chris..


Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #1567004
01/24/14 10:14 AM
01/24/14 10:14 AM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,910
Eighty Four, PA
B G Racing Offline
master
B G Racing  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,910
Eighty Four, PA
Quote:

WOW.. Really.??


And Hemi Fred uses what trans in his Hemi Duster that you did the engine for..



Chris..

Yup,we all know HemiFred and know that he does what he wants.Building engines for Fred has nothing to do with the setup he runs.I "Doubble Dog Dare"you to tell Fred what to do.There is definately a short circut between Freds balls and his brain.He asked me if I wanted to take a pass in the car,I locked myself in my trailer for the whole weekend. But Chris in all seriousness we have run PGs with stock cases in a few chassis cars and dragsters but as power levels increases we step up the quality.Our 68 Cuda chassis car runs a PG with a UltraBell and good inerds but we may be going to a TF this year.Just because I or Fred run or anyone else does this doesn't mean I recommend it.Also I don't know what Freds car weights but our Cuda is well under 3000# whish is what I referred to in my original answer."At that weight a 727 at 3000# or less a PG.I respect Monte's opinion,but since he choose to editorialize,I felt it necessarry to explain or clarify my opinion.Nothing that I said was etched in stone and the OP has numerous different opinions to choose from.As I have said on many occasions,we can all agree to disagree and we don't have to get pissed at each other.If my opinion was left to stand on it's own merits it would end there"as my opinion",but if I'am call to task on my statement,them I need to respond.Respect to all


Last edited by B G Racing; 01/24/14 12:30 PM.
Re: 69 RR 727 or PG *DELETED* [Re: B G Racing] #1567005
01/24/14 03:31 PM
01/24/14 03:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
M
Monte_Smith Offline
master
Monte_Smith  Offline
master
M

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
Post deleted by Monte_Smith

Re: Custom Gear sets for 727 [Re: Monte_Smith] #1567006
01/24/14 06:21 PM
01/24/14 06:21 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 577
Arkansas
A
Adrielp Offline
mopar
Adrielp  Offline
mopar
A

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 577
Arkansas
So while everyone is on this topic, does anyone know what it cost to get custom gear set for a 727 or 904. The reason I ask is because I know Comp Eliminator guys do that from time to time in the faster classes to get better ratios so I'm just curious of the cost involved.


Adriel Paradise
Substation Design Engineer III
Re: Custom Gear sets for 727 *DELETED* [Re: Adrielp] #1567007
01/24/14 07:56 PM
01/24/14 07:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
M
Monte_Smith Offline
master
Monte_Smith  Offline
master
M

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
Post deleted by Monte_Smith

Re: Custom Gear sets for 727 [Re: Monte_Smith] #1567008
01/24/14 08:14 PM
01/24/14 08:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 19,377
Las Vegas
Al_Alguire Offline
I Live Here
Al_Alguire  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 19,377
Las Vegas
Actually Dave and the guys at Protrans are working on a 3 speed for the higher torque top sportsman type stuff right now. The current stuff they use does not hold up well under high torque loads. A buddy of mine has been testing the prototypes. I plan to use my current Rossler TH210XHD for TS duty. And as Monte pointed out Protrans nor Rossler are cheap


"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."

"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: MRMOPAR622] #1567009
01/24/14 08:30 PM
01/24/14 08:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,926
A shed in England
Tig Offline
master
Tig  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,926
A shed in England
Quote:

I have a 69 RoadRunner I am setting (trying)for the 6.0 class.I am thinking it should be in the 3200-3400 lb range,the 572-13 540 engine should be between 850-900 HP with 1 1095 King Demon but have a Tunnel-Ram and 2 1095 King Demon's on Race-Gas(I have gas set up not alcohol so that what I will run).Just hoping I will not have to use the Tunnel so I will not have to make any changes to the hood.It is a 4-link car with 33" tires and will have a 4:56 gears in the rear end.

I have never run this type engine in a car this heavy.Which transmission do I need to go with the 727 or PG? I'm hoping some of you with cars like this can chime in and help me pick the right trans the 1st time.I want which ever one will make the car run the Fastest.I lean toward the glide because it is cheaper,but some what afraid it might not 60' leave hard enough with a glide. Thanks



Do you already have the 727? In our experience, with some decent internal parts it'll be fine. Talk to Jon at CRT. Our's is very low maintenance, rebuild every 250 passes or so. See sig for combo spec.
HTH's
OH,BTW we're going to put it behind the 655 motor with just a few more upgraded parts


'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: Tig] #1567010
01/24/14 10:06 PM
01/24/14 10:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 296
Ontario Canada
H
Hutch Offline
enthusiast
Hutch  Offline
enthusiast
H

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 296
Ontario Canada
Hey Monte , take it easy. There is no hollier than thou anything happening here. You stated he could run a stock case and gearset in your first post of course to save money and all I did was try to shed light on trying to "get away with something" is not always the best choice in the long run. I don't care what you are getting away with as your not in the trans business except when you can make a buck on a drop ship from a vendor you support. Im down here in the trenches every day dealing with this stuff as are you with nitrous so I will tell you I have more exposure to it.

Not here to argue with anyone, just to raise a few valid points. If you have a problem with anything I have pointed out Monte or think I singled you out in any way, you are welcome anytime to discuss this with me personally as I had no ill intent. You know my number.


Hutch

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: Hutch] #1567011
01/24/14 11:54 PM
01/24/14 11:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
M
Monte_Smith Offline
master
Monte_Smith  Offline
master
M

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
Quote:

Hey Monte , take it easy. There is no hollier than thou anything happening here. You stated he could run a stock case and gearset in your first post of course to save money and all I did was try to shed light on trying to "get away with something" is not always the best choice in the long run. I don't care what you are getting away with as your not in the trans business except when you can make a buck on a drop ship from a vendor you support. Im down here in the trenches every day dealing with this stuff as are you with nitrous so I will tell you I have more exposure to it.

Not here to argue with anyone, just to raise a few valid points. If you have a problem with anything I have pointed out Monte or think I singled you out in any way, you are welcome anytime to discuss this with me personally as I had no ill intent. You know my number.


Hutch


Nothing I said was directly aimed at you Hutch. There was another accusing me of putting people in danger with what I said and I didn't appreciate it. Even though one of his own customers has been running that very setup with no issues. Seems he should be advising his own customer of the inherent "danger" if there is one. I have no issue with you, never have.

Monte

Re: 69 RR 727 or PG [Re: Monte_Smith] #1567012
01/25/14 03:50 PM
01/25/14 03:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,008
Sweet Home Alabama
M
MRMOPAR622 Offline OP
top fuel
MRMOPAR622  Offline OP
top fuel
M

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,008
Sweet Home Alabama
I want to Thank each and everyone of you that have took your time to try and help me.

I did have a bit of luck,a Friend of mine is going to a bigger engine and was wondering if would be better of with a Glide also an offered to let me try his 727.He has been running the Foot-Brake class and it does not have a trans brake but I can use his converter as well.But even without a trans brake I should be able to get an idea of how it works.Thanks Again everyone for all the Great Advice.

PS when I try it and find out how it works and what I tink I will post it and let everyone know.


"To Be The Man'You Have Got To Beat The Man" "T/D and Pro-Bracket Racer"
Page 2 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1