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Cowl Hood
#1565781
01/19/14 09:48 PM
01/19/14 09:48 PM
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San Antonio,TX
440W8 Duster
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post pictures of your cowl hood A-Bodies. which one would be faster and more effective a Cowl hood or Aero hood scoop?
Any track back to back testing.
70 Duster W8 motor.
1.29 60ft 5.79 1/8 at 120 mph
glide with 1.80 gear
@3170 lbs.
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: Dragula]
#1565788
01/20/14 01:40 AM
01/20/14 01:40 AM
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Renton Washington
Triple Threat
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I've done a bit of research on this lately. Big aero scoops seem to be worth a little bit of ET over cowl's or other small forward facing scoops like you have now. The con is they're a pain to see around, if you've ever driven a car with one, you know what I mean.
-Dustin
67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi
68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: Jeepmon]
#1565795
01/20/14 02:25 PM
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6PKRTSE
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Nice Nova's guys. LOL. Just kidding alot of nice A bodies though.
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 6PKRTSE]
#1565796
01/20/14 03:51 PM
01/20/14 03:51 PM
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Central,Ohio
FASTFISH420
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My car hates the cowl hood  I run a 5inch glasstek similar to Johns.I have tried 3 to 4 air pans,blocking this and that and different carb spacers and it dirty's the plugs after one run. I also run a max effort carb that's 2.20 bore that's made for the most air you can throw at it.
1969 Barracuda 8 second all/motor small block
2014 Shelby GT500 Mustang
Uratchko Racing Engines
www.URE-RACING.com
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 440W8 Duster]
#1565798
01/20/14 05:11 PM
01/20/14 05:11 PM
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Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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My car hates the cowl hood
I run a 5inch glasstek similar to Johns.I have tried 3 to 4 air pans,blocking this and that and different carb spacers and it dirty's the plugs after one run.
I also run a max effort carb that's 2.20 bore that's made for the most air you can throw at it.
Chris how does Butch Kemp run so quick with a cowl hood on the Mustang and its sealed to the hood
You need to look at the distance from the windshield..
close(about 1" to max 2")... this is mine but its
no A-body... I set this up up so I could hinge it
but I am thinking about making a slider on the back
opening to get it close for racing
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: FASTFISH420]
#1565800
01/20/14 05:26 PM
01/20/14 05:26 PM
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Idabel,Oklahoma
Gary Robbins
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My car hates the cowl hood
I run a 5inch glasstek similar to Johns.I have tried 3 to 4 air pans,blocking this and that and different carb spacers and it dirty's the plugs after one run.
I also run a max effort carb that's 2.20 bore that's made for the most air you can throw at it.
Mine loves the cowl hood(6" glasstech)...no air pan or even close to the windshield...145mph in the 1/8 and should be in the 150mph range with the new combo !!
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 440W8 Duster]
#1565801
01/20/14 05:28 PM
01/20/14 05:28 PM
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MR_P_BODY
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Another thing to think about... when you are traveling down the road in a rain... which way do the rain drops go... if up then its not gonna put air into the back of the cowl... the cowl itself is blocking the upward flow if its close enough to give the low pressure area needed at the back of it... so between the low pressure created from the intake/pistons and the cowl close enough it should get good flow.... I was gonna do a test on my car(P-Body) and a guy that was running a cowl.. we both had similar speeds but he blew up the engine and I never got the chance
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: headhunter]
#1565806
01/20/14 09:37 PM
01/20/14 09:37 PM
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 what about both 
Now that this car is a streeter,want to sell the hood or trade lmk.
Thats the set up i want 
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: mistress]
#1565809
01/21/14 01:10 AM
01/21/14 01:10 AM
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MR_P_BODY
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My 8 inch glasstek
Is your scoop sealed... where is the seal at in relation
to the hood itself... also where are the carbs in the
scoop... how far from the top of the carbs to the scoop
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1565810
01/21/14 10:13 AM
01/21/14 10:13 AM
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South Bend, Indiana
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My 8 inch glasstek
Is your scoop sealed... where is the seal at in relation
to the hood itself... also where are the carbs in the
scoop... how far from the top of the carbs to the scoop
Carbs are pretty much center of scoop and the front carb is about 3 inches from scoop, rear carb a little more clearance. There is about an inch and half clearance to windshield and carbs are not sealed to hood.
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 440W8 Duster]
#1565812
01/21/14 11:12 AM
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San Antonio,TX
440W8 Duster
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On another note. SS/AH do they seal their carbs or not to the scoop?
70 Duster W8 motor.
1.29 60ft 5.79 1/8 at 120 mph
glide with 1.80 gear
@3170 lbs.
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 440W8 Duster]
#1565813
01/21/14 11:24 AM
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South Bend, Indiana
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My 8 inch glasstek
Is your scoop sealed... where is the seal at in relation
to the hood itself... also where are the carbs in the
scoop... how far from the top of the carbs to the scoop
Carbs are pretty much center of scoop and the front carb is about 3 inches from scoop, rear carb a little more clearance. There is about an inch and half clearance to windshield and carbs are not sealed to hood.
So does it run quicker sealed to the hood or not sealed?
I had a smaller cowl hood with a single carb and sealed it to hood and didn't make a bit of difference, now with the tunnel ram and two 4's i didn't mess with trying to seal the carbs on this hood.
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 440W8 Duster]
#1565815
01/21/14 12:14 PM
01/21/14 12:14 PM
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an8sec70cuda
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FWIW...I used to run a six pack hood on my cuda. It ran about a tenth quicker and 1 mph faster sealed than it did unsealed. I switched to a 5" cowl hood, unsealed, and it ran the same as the sealed six pack hood. This was on a combo that I'd run for years. I have experimented w/ sealing the cowl hood to the carb but haven't seen anything really. 
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 440W8 Duster]
#1565816
01/21/14 12:50 PM
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South Bend, Indiana
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My 8 inch glasstek
Is your scoop sealed... where is the seal at in relation
to the hood itself... also where are the carbs in the
scoop... how far from the top of the carbs to the scoop
Carbs are pretty much center of scoop and the front carb is about 3 inches from scoop, rear carb a little more clearance. There is about an inch and half clearance to windshield and carbs are not sealed to hood.
So does it run quicker sealed to the hood or not sealed?
I had a smaller cowl hood with a single carb and sealed it to hood and didn't make a bit of difference, now with the tunnel ram and two 4's i didn't mess with trying to seal the carbs on this hood.
Do you have a SB or BB?
BB
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 440W8 Duster]
#1565817
01/21/14 01:00 PM
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my 71 with cowl
Is that in Humboldt Ia?
Yes our local skating rink lol 
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: 440W8 Duster]
#1565819
01/21/14 07:50 PM
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Addison,IL
OUTLAWSSAA
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On another note. SS/AH do they seal their carbs or not to the scoop?
If you go down to the US Nationals and look at all the hemi cars, not one of them that I saw had there hoods sealed to the carbs.
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: John Burdine]
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01/21/14 09:04 PM
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Glasstek 6"
that's a good looking demon 
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: fishy340]
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01/21/14 09:10 PM
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what about both
Now that this car is a streeter,want to sell the hood or trade lmk.
Thats the set up i want
I don't know ive thought about getting another hood but it kinda grows on you lol 
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: headhunter]
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01/21/14 10:43 PM
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Jeepmon
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I don't know ive thought about getting another hood but it kinda grows on you lol
So does the paint job
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: headhunter]
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01/22/14 10:07 AM
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if im not mistaking the carbs sit to high in the scoop to seal them
Using drop bases on the carbs will fix that. Seen it done many times.
If it was worth any power on those cars, I'm sure they would be doing it.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: Thumperdart]
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01/22/14 03:33 PM
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if im not mistaking the carbs sit to high in the scoop to seal them
Using drop bases on the carbs will fix that. Seen it done many times.
If it was worth any power on those cars, I'm sure they would be doing it.
If you`re talking about the Hemi guys, I read somewhere that they can`t use air pans.................
Sure they can, problem is they don't help. The scoop has to be kept within factory dimensions and as discussed in other threads is not high enough to do any good. Sealing the scoop would probably cost it air vs letting it get some underhood air unsealed.
Monte
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/25/14 01:39 PM
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if im not mistaking the carbs sit to high in the scoop to seal them
Using drop bases on the carbs will fix that. Seen it done many times.
If it was worth any power on those cars, I'm sure they would be doing it.
If you`re talking about the Hemi guys, I read somewhere that they can`t use air pans.................
Sure they can, problem is they don't help. The scoop has to be kept within factory dimensions and as discussed in other threads is not high enough to do any good. Sealing the scoop would probably cost it air vs letting it get some underhood air unsealed.
Monte
Hi Monte in your opinion is there an advantage in the glasstek 5" six pack scoop over the glasstek 6" cowl hood thanks for any insight you may have
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/25/14 02:47 PM
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if im not mistaking the carbs sit to high in the scoop to seal them
Using drop bases on the carbs will fix that. Seen it done many times.
If it was worth any power on those cars, I'm sure they would be doing it.
If you`re talking about the Hemi guys, I read somewhere that they can`t use air pans.................
Sure they can, problem is they don't help. The scoop has to be kept within factory dimensions and as discussed in other threads is not high enough to do any good. Sealing the scoop would probably cost it air vs letting it get some underhood air unsealed.
Monte
 ... they just arent tall enough to get up
into the real air flow... they MAY be getting a good
percentage of their air flow from inside the hood
area.. I picked up ET and 3 MPH on my scoop when I
sealed it
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Re: Cowl Hood
[Re: headhunter]
#1565837
01/26/14 02:25 PM
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Monte_Smith
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 is my carb up in the scoop high enough to be any good?
I would venture a guess that this car will run the SAME, with or without a plug in the scoop
Monte
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