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Hearing this more and more.... #1565050
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Try this.... (whatever tuning tip for whatever motor they're talking about)....and if THAT DON"T WORK JUST SHOVE AN LS MOTOR IN IT!

I guess the LS is the perfect motor....for the impatient short attention span world we live in....within 10 years I fear the old schoolers of the 60's and 70's Muscle car engines will be regarded the passively disrespectful way many of the old flathead guys wound up being treated in the 60's and 70's.....Yesterday's technology

And if and when I wind up in that same "old schoolers" boat...At least I'll be with plenty of my friends!!



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World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: Streetwize] #1565051
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I agree, and as far as what ma Mopar should have done, make lots of stuff for the new Hemi when it came out, and sell it dirt cheap like chevy did in the fifties and sixties. Then at least the average dolt would have an option!


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Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: Streetwize] #1565052
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Sounds like a "Country Song"


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Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: mikeysmopars] #1565053
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or an old Dylan song:
The times they are a changin........

Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: AAR-B4] #1565054
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(nasally Dylan voice) "...Well ya' better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone..."

As for the Hemi...I would really like to see them go (some might say go back) to a production based Pro Stock EFI class where they run 7 litre (as in 426 or 427) inch LS's against Hemi's against maybe a 5.5 or 6 litre Ford (since it's overhead cam) with a Spec EFI system that limits them to about 1200 HP

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WIZE

World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

In Car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: AAR-B4] #1565055
01/18/14 01:29 PM
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GM is not an option, period, and I will never go mainstream. Because the junkyard is filled up with something cheap does not necessarily mean it is good
First time I saw the LS intake ports I thought it was a joke. But with modern first aid (like EFI etc) it will work. NOW, compare with the new Hemi! That is race inspired!

Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #1565056
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I'm already known locally as that as that crazy old coot at the end of the road with the big old 2nd gen Hemi. Bring on the pants-down-to-their-ankle crowd with their LS junk.Dave

Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: Streetwize] #1565057
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Mopar = Black Sabbath and Alice In Chains

LS = Justin Beiber and Britney Spears


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Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: DaveRS23] #1565058
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Would I put an LS in my Mopar? No, I like my Chrysler engines. Is an LS the most cost effective way nowadays to make power, Yes. Cathedral port heads, big valves, 6 bolt mains, aftermarket parts following, etc. Bolt on some boost and go 9's with no exotic parts. The Gen III hemi is great if you can afford to build one. I'd love to have one myself but the cost of that vs building a LA motor is enormous to me. And before everyone goes bashing away at me because I'm cheap consider this, I'm 26 I work a full time job making 30k a year and I have a house payment, power bill, credit card, cable, cell phone, insurance...the list goes on. Not everyone can afford to buy/build the best stuff so we have to look for ways to stay in the hobby and not go broke One day I will build an LS motor and stick it in a mustang...why? because it's a cheap way to go fast

Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: SLOW67] #1565059
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@ Tim,

Whare are you in NC? we're neighbors we got to meet up sometime.


WIZE

World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

In Car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: Streetwize] #1565060
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In all honesty the LS series engines are pretty well designed and make good power, but they have no business under the hood of any Mopar. If you want a modern engine build a Gen III Hemi.


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: SLOW67] #1565061
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I am 67 years old and about 4 years ago I bought a 73 corvette. First chevy in my life. Chrysler never made anything like corvette. Put a 6.0 ls in it with corvette cam,oil pan, eddy rpm, holley 750 and msd controller. I figure it is 375 hp give or take. It has a 3.08 gear and 28" tires along with 700r4. At eddyville car ran bottom 13's at 105 mph using only first and second gear. Don't have to shift out of second til 110-115. The car is great to drive and the nicest thing is 24-26 mpg. Try to do that with old 350 engine. I always hated the small block chevy but i am telling you they did it right with the ls. My next project will be a gen three hemi for a 68 cuda. I think it is even better than ls. I just can't figure out why you can not go to a chrysler dealer and just order a 6.4 block or anything else you may want. Salavage yards still seem tho think because it says "hemi" they have a gen two peice there. We just need parts available. My rant for the day.

Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: Cuda367] #1565062
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First I'd never run a Chevy. But the trouble with them and the new Hemi. THEY ARE UGLY. I'm working on my Buddy's 31 Dodge today. Just finishing wiring and plumbing. Every time I look I think I'd put a full hood on it.
Doug

Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: Streetwize] #1565063
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..within 10 years I fear the old schoolers of the 60's and 70's Muscle car engines will be regarded the passively disrespectful way many of the old flathead guys wound up being treated in the 60's and 70's.....Yesterday's technology

I guess I will know how the flat head guys felt. I would never put a late Hemi in my 68 road runner.
At least the Gen II HEMI will still rule in Top Fuel classes.



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1968 road runner
1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: DaveRS23] #1565064
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Quote:

Mopar = Black Sabbath and Alice In Chains

LS = Justin Beiber and Britney Spears






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9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: Tig] #1565065
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You guys kill me. If everyone was putting a hemi in everything I'll bet everyone would be happy. If we had the factory support like the LS we would be having this conversation.
Hell I'll bet that if we had a quarter of the support the LS has the hemi would be king.
The LS is a great engine that's why mopar build the hemi similar to it. Take the heads of and have a look.
The LS program is basically idiot proof. Go fast with not too much thinking.
Matt

Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: MattW] #1565066
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There is a place for everything.
There is a place in my heart for old school muscle, which is why my Plymouth will stay carbed, never have AC, overdrive, etc.

But in terms of modern, affordable performance, you can't beat the LS platform. Plentiful in boneyards, ton of aftermarket and factory support. They make good power out of the box, and can make big power with some effort. For someone looking to go EFI, roller cam, overdrive...this is the most logical option....at least it's still American....haha


Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...

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66 Belv. II - just a streetcar
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Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: OUTLAWD] #1565067
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Hey if somebody scaled up an LS style head to fit a BB mopar (with at least 2.25 intake valves and 1.7 to 1.8:1 rockers) we could regrind hemi blanks to work the valves, don't think somebody hasn't already thought about it.....I know I have!

Actually I think the roots of the LS can be traced originally to the success of the Robert Yates (Cleveland ford based) cylinder head for Nascar..... and Actually I believe MOPAR was the first to build (and certify) a non production based (non-Siamese port) clean sheet head and block when they re-entered Nascar in the mid 90's which obviously allowed ford and chevy to follow suit. So maybe Mopar did have a small hand in the LS after-all.


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World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

In Car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: Hearing this more and more.... [Re: OUTLAWD] #1565068
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Quote:

There is a place for everything.
There is a place in my heart for old school muscle, which is why my Plymouth will stay carbed, never have AC, overdrive, etc.

But in terms of modern, affordable performance, you can't beat the LS platform. Plentiful in boneyards, ton of aftermarket and factory support. They make good power out of the box, and can make big power with some effort. For someone looking to go EFI, roller cam, overdrive...this is the most logical option....at least it's still American....haha




OD isnt a bad thing...I went with a 518 trans for
the road and its still a normal 727 for the track...
its in my Rampage.. but its a dual purpose ride...
I'm looking at a modern hemi to put in if I can find
one at a decent price.. if I do it I might even twin
turbo it just for kicks... I dont need anything over
600HP

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When R U going to build a G3?
Always liked your info and help.

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