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Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/16/13 01:24 PM
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Hey gang.. In my continuing saga of preparation of installing my newly bought 426 Hemi into the Daytona, I now focus on motor mounts. In a perfect world I would have an inexhaustable amount of money, but I don't. So, instead of purchasing a complete HEMI k-member, I'm going the aftermarket hemi conversion motor mounts. In a nutshell, it'll be an OEM 426 Hemi in a 440 car. What are ya'll experiences with the Schmaucher and/or Arruzza hemi motor mounts for conversions. Arruzza versions ( at bottom of page ) Arruzza Hemi conversion motor mount link Schumacher Creative Services Schumacher conversion motor mounts
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: hemi68charger]
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12/16/13 08:53 PM
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Well I used the Schumakers on an A body /6 kmember to big block swap & zero problems. Granted mtr mts ain't rocket science but they did the job & the price was right.
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: Lee446]
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12/16/13 09:40 PM
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I used the Schumacher kit putting a 528 Hemi in my 69 Satellite with zero problems. I used TTI 2-1/8" headers and everything fell into place, even with factory P.S. I have a 6 Pack lift off hood, so if the engine sits slightly higher than stock as some have said, I did not see it.
Same here, I've used the Schumacher HEMI mounts on 2nd and 3rd gen B bodies with little to no issues, same here regarding the so-called height increase?, didn't see anything of that nature, and I did several vehicles with fresh air/ram air hoods
...but you know how it goes, some people can screw up a spoon feed free lunch! 
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/17/13 01:19 AM
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/18/13 11:58 AM
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i used schumacher mounts on mine. arruzza wasn't available at the time i installed my hemi.
keep in mind it will raise your engine about 1-1/2" and move it back about 1" from the stock hemi location. if you have a high rise intake it may need some creative solutions for a air cleaner.
from other posts in the past. the arruzza mounts are much closer to stock location for the motor. i guess one side of there mounts is a solid. some people complain about vibrations some don't hear any and like the security of a solid mount.
perception is 90% of reality
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/18/13 11:59 AM
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Schumacher here as well.. not problem with power steering a/c and big tube TTI Headers.
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/18/13 01:40 PM
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Man, I may have to get the Schumachers regardless, Arruzza never answers their phone and there isn't an email contact on their website..  I am sort of uncomfortable with some saying their Schumacher-installed motors, in space, wasn't where it should be....
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: Mr T2U]
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12/18/13 03:11 PM
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i used schumacher mounts on mine. arruzza wasn't available at the time i installed my hemi.
keep in mind it will raise your engine about 1-1/2" and move it back about 1" from the stock hemi location. if you have a high rise intake it may need some creative solutions for a air cleaner.
 What was the exact application, HEMI block yes, but what style block/mounting arrangement?, what K member, and what Body application?
TIA
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: mickm]
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12/18/13 05:52 PM
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Schumacher here as well. my engine doesn't sit level, and i haven't looked into it as it doesn't cause any problems, but overall they are well engineered, and i would recommend them.
I would see it not sitting level all the time and it would drive me crazy........ I'll keep trying to get a hold of John or the other gent suggested in my thread......
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: hemi68charger]
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12/19/13 01:55 AM
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Schumacher here as well. my engine doesn't sit level, and i haven't looked into it as it doesn't cause any problems, but overall they are well engineered, and i would recommend them.
I would see it not sitting level all the time and it would drive me crazy........ I'll keep trying to get a hold of John or the other gent suggested in my thread......
i don't see it. a friend put a level on it and told me, but to me it looks level. unless it's causing problems, good enough! 
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: astjp2]
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12/19/13 02:43 AM
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Who is Al Debevec please? Can I ask a question, if you put a solid left mount in, and leave the rubber in the right side, will much of the vibration still get through?
Al is the Man, he takes V-8 Kmembers and converts them to hemi, they use the original mounts and fit every time. Tim
Does Mega get theirs from Al?
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: mickm]
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12/19/13 05:17 AM
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Schumacher here as well. my engine doesn't sit level, and i haven't looked into it as it doesn't cause any problems, but overall they are well engineered, and i would recommend them.
I ran into the same problem with my Schumacher Hemi conversion mounts. You can adjust that by loosing the large bolt that bolts the block mount and k-frame mount and position the engine where you want and tighten those bolts back up but be sure you really torque them down so they don't move.
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/19/13 05:35 AM
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One thing I don't really care for on the Schumacher Hemi mounts is the fact the engine appears to be roughly 1/2"(?) higher then stock. I am running an M1 single 4bbl intake with a glass repo 1970-1971 air grabber air cleaner and with a stock 1970 Challenger R/T hood it was touching so I had to take if I remember correctly about an 1-1/2" off the air cleaner base plate to get enough clearance for me to be comfortable. I thought I read on here a few years ago that a couple of guys opened up the engine bracket holes and dropped the engine down to factory specs. I bought some Hemi head bolts from Arruzza when I was building my engine and I didn't care for the way he handled that transaction so that is one of the reasons I went with the Schumacher kit.
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: astjp2]
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12/19/13 05:53 AM
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Here is the Kmember as I was welding the seams.
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: mickm]
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12/19/13 09:44 AM
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I don't see it. a friend put a level on it and told me, but to me it looks level. unless it's causing problems, good enough!
That makes no sense.
Whether an engine is "level" or not is it's relationship to the chassis.
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: astjp2]
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12/19/13 10:33 AM
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Call Al Debevec and do it right! 715-267-7141
OK, so does Al make the complete converted k-member or the motor mount adaptors for a 426 Hemi on a standard V8 k-member? Or, both?
I am weighting the possibility of foregoing adaptor brackets and just get a complete k-member. But, the cost of a complete k-member and OEM hemi motor mount brackets is about the same as a set of brand new TTI ceramic headers that I need to get regardless......
Thanks for the input all........
Cheers,
Troy
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/19/13 02:43 PM
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I would just run the Schumacher mounts and cut a hole in the hood for a scoop.
Nice suggestion....
But with all due respect,,,,, it ain't a happenin' 
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/20/13 05:10 AM
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If you plan on using the flat Charger hood, and the Schmacher mounts raise the engine at all, you will not have room for an air cleaner. I put a 528 Hemi in my 68 Charger will stock mounts and k member and there's not enough room for an air cleaner on a carb, but there is on a throttle body, good thing I'm running EFI.
Take care,
Rick
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
[Re: HemiRick]
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12/20/13 12:49 PM
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If you plan on using the flat Charger hood, and the Schmacher mounts raise the engine at all, you will not have room for an air cleaner. I put a 528 Hemi in my 68 Charger will stock mounts and k member and there's not enough room for an air cleaner on a carb, but there is on a throttle body, good thing I'm running EFI.
Which intake manifold were you using?
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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12/20/13 10:01 PM
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Recently, I visited a shop that specializes in repairing and modifying vintage Mopar Musclecars. A 1969 Hemi-fied Charger R/T was up on the rack. There were numerous issues with the car, worst of which were the Schumacher engine mounts, which improperly mounted the engine, and definitely caused issues all the way through the car. The very fact that one mount is essentially solid, and the other semi-isolated by rubber had me pondering the design. The quick fix? A real Hemi K-frame, and factory mounts. Also a set of TTI headers dramatically improved everything!
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Re: Schumacher or Arruzza Hemi conversion mounts
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I have the stageV rockers under stock repop valve covers and running the stageV intake. Once I get an aircleaner base that fits my holley carbs I will be able to check it for clearance but measuring seems to say I should have about 1/2" clearance when it done. Tim
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