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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: mopar dave] #1546775
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I would like to use a short CH piston to get it real lite. I really want to science this build out as it will be my last go fast build and chance to break into the 9's. the next one after that will be a bb stroker just for cruising and to show. gonna get away from chasing numbers and sell my trailer as well. anyway I really want to get this sb right this time around.




My , I would sell what you have, build a BB pump gas stroker that will be able to cruise around and run 9's ...I don't see the point in spending all the money twice on the SB when you are going to go BB in the end and be able to reach your goals

Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: mshred] #1546776
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those bb strokers like the 470, 499 have to be built stout to run 9's. if my bb runs 10's and I can drive it anywhere with low maintenance using a hydro roller easy on springs i'll be extremely happy.

Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: pittsburghracer] #1546777
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I would get shot or hung for letting this one out of the bag but most of the involved party is dead and gone or about out of the game. A close Friend worked for one of the really big Ford teams and they were taught to flip a head over and chamfer the head bolt holes on the deck surface of the head. They found out that as the head was being torqued down it was pulling the head harder under the head bolts and distorting the head mating surface. Putting a chamfer on the head bolt hole spread the pressure evenly across the deck.



How about a picture of this process.Could one use a counter sink to do this.Sounds interesting.

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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: barracuda man] #1546778
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I'm sorry but I have no pictures at this time. I always did mine by hand with a carbide burr but that's just me. I would try it first on a piece of scrap metal to get some practice. Remember its not a big crazy chamfer. For example on a small block head ( 1/2 inch bolt ) its only gonna be like 3/16 - 1/4 inch max 45 degree chamfer. Just enough to spread the pressure from directly under the bolt head.


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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: mshred] #1546779
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I would like to use a short CH piston to get it real lite. I really want to science this build out as it will be my last go fast build and chance to break into the 9's. the next one after that will be a bb stroker just for cruising and to show. gonna get away from chasing numbers and sell my trailer as well. anyway I really want to get this sb right this time around.




My , I would sell what you have, build a BB pump gas stroker that will be able to cruise around and run 9's ...I don't see the point in spending all the money twice on the SB when you are going to go BB in the end and be able to reach your goals




Doin that right now..................


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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: mopar dave] #1546780
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those bb strokers like the 470, 499 have to be built stout to run 9's. if my bb runs 10's and I can drive it anywhere with low maintenance using a hydro roller easy on springs i'll be extremely happy.




Nothing fancy or stout here..........stock crank, 13 year old Eagle rods and JE pistons, home ported rpm`s w/stock window,.680-.660 Isky solid roller, Victor intake and an old hp-1050 dommy............


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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: Thumperdart] #1546781
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do you think you could make a 700 mile round trip without any issues?

Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: mopar dave] #1546782
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I would like to use a short CH piston to get it real lite. I really want to science this build out as it will be my last go fast build and chance to break into the 9's. the next one after that will be a bb stroker just for cruising and to show. gonna get away from chasing numbers and sell my trailer as well. anyway I really want to get this sb right this time around.


I would not worry so much about the CH...... The area in the skirt does not add too much wt with the pistons available these days....... going to a narrow pin also reduces wt....... the longer rod will kill off power...

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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: mopar dave] #1546783
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do you think you could make a 700 mile round trip without any issues?


Don`t see why not but havn`t even considered that honestly. I`ve driven about 90 minutes at a time and cruise the freeway from time to time thankxxx to a mild lobed Isky solid roller and a good cooling system.


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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: Thumperdart] #1546784
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Disagree about a long rod killing off power, that isn't true at all.
In fact the guy who owns my old car has been 9.62 at 140 with it at 3200 pounds on super stock springs and 28by 10 DOT tires. That is with off the shelf headers and a 727 trans.
Don't know of many, if any, similar W5/ Indy combo's that run any better.

To the OP, we're it me I would mill the heads if you have flat tops to raise compression, run a cam to match the compression, and swap the 727 you have already for a 904 .
The tranny swap should be good for 1.5 tenths, and a little more cam and compression will knock another 2 or 3 tenths out of it easily.
I would be willing to bet another another point in compression( to 12.5 compression) the correct cam, and the 904 would get the car into the 9's.
This all assumes the heads are good.
If anything those heads have a bit more potential than W5 head, which has smaller valves and less cross section.
Doesn't take anything special to get an A body in the 9's with a roller and Indy heads

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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: B3422W5] #1546785
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Disagree about a long rod killing off power, that isn't true at all.
In fact the guy who owns my old car has been 9.62 at 140 with it at 3200 pounds on super stock springs and 28by 10 DOT tires. That is with off the shelf headers and a 727 trans.
Don't know of many, if any, similar W5/ Indy combo's that run any better.

To the OP, we're it me I would mill the heads if you have flat tops to raise compression, run a cam to match the compression, and swap the 727 you have already for a 904 .
The tranny swap should be good for 1.5 tenths, and a little more cam and compression will knock another 2 or 3 tenths out of it easily.
I would be willing to bet another another point in compression( to 12.5 compression) the correct cam, and the 904 would get the car into the 9's.
This all assumes the heads are good.
If anything those heads have a bit more potential than W5 head, which has smaller valves and less cross section.
Doesn't take anything special to get an A body in the 9's with a roller and Indy heads




Good running combo 4 sure.............. Can that car be driven the said 700 miles round trip?


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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: Thumperdart] #1546786
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Disagree about a long rod killing off power, that isn't true at all.
In fact the guy who owns my old car has been 9.62 at 140 with it at 3200 pounds on super stock springs and 28by 10 DOT tires. That is with off the shelf headers and a 727 trans.
Don't know of many, if any, similar W5/ Indy combo's that run any better.

To the OP, we're it me I would mill the heads if you have flat tops to raise compression, run a cam to match the compression, and swap the 727 you have already for a 904 .
The tranny swap should be good for 1.5 tenths, and a little more cam and compression will knock another 2 or 3 tenths out of it easily.
I would be willing to bet another another point in compression( to 12.5 compression) the correct cam, and the 904 would get the car into the 9's.
This all assumes the heads are good.
If anything those heads have a bit more potential than W5 head, which has smaller valves and less cross section.
Doesn't take anything special to get an A body in the 9's with a roller and Indy heads




Good running combo 4 sure.............. Can that car be driven the said 700 miles round trip?




Lol..... No..... The cam in it now is a spring eater..... The milder one I ran I drove around on the street some, but I only ran the numbers in my signature.....


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Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: B3422W5] #1546787
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Disagree about a long rod killing off power, that isn't true at all.
In fact the guy who owns my old car has been 9.62 at 140 with it at 3200 pounds on super stock springs and 28by 10 DOT tires. That is with off the shelf headers and a 727 trans.
Don't know of many, if any, similar W5/ Indy combo's that run any better.


When I originally joined in on this thread, I thought the OP was building a stock stroke 360......... The long rod would be brutal in that...

Re: what can be done to a 360 for strength [Re: SSDart] #1546788
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Sorry if i wasnt clear. 360 block 4" stroke.

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