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11/17/13 04:39 AM
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They already have such as class as James described. It's called Super Stock. Funny thing about WJ, he wasn't whining about cost when he was on top and one of the ones escalating the cost. It's been a rich man's game for a very long time, both from the standpoint of car costs, and from the fact that there are 20+ national events on the tour now. 
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Re: Did WJ really say ??? .....
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11/17/13 10:17 AM
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Yeah, I heard the babbling about the high cost of springs,etc and thought it sounded awfully high.But then again, it came out of W.J's mouth so I didn't put too much stock in it.The best W.J. babble came from a post race interview years ago. He had just had a lengthy staging duel with Scott Geoffrion,got beat on the tree, and beat to the stripe E.T. wise and was "unhappy". He said something to the effect of "The punk should learn how to race before pulling something like that". I thought,he just beat YOU at both ends of the track dude,pipe down and move on. Wasn't he wining pretty consistently about 6 or 8 years ago until there was some sort of a new fuel testing rule passed, then suddenly he's a middle-of-the-packer? 
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11/17/13 10:55 AM
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Yeah, I heard the babbling about the high cost of springs,etc and thought it sounded awfully high.But then again, it came out of W.J's mouth so I didn't put too much stock in it.The best W.J. babble came from a post race interview years ago. He had just had a lengthy staging duel with Scott Geoffrion,got beat on the tree, and beat to the stripe E.T. wise and was "unhappy". He said something to the effect of "The punk should learn how to race before pulling something like that". I thought,he just beat YOU at both ends of the track dude,pipe down and move on. Wasn't he wining pretty consistently about 6 or 8 years ago until there was some sort of a new fuel testing rule passed, then suddenly he's a middle-of-the-packer?
That sounds a bit like revisionist history. Johnson won that race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo7b68C_rt4
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11/17/13 10:59 AM
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It was Dave Connolly he called a punk.WJ has always had something to say regarding the class,or drag racing in general,but he is right,unless you have a 2.5 mil+ sponsor,it will be hard to compete.The sanctioning bodies are not going to make any sweeping changes to any of the classes because of parts inventory and R&D that went into the cars and such.Mopar tried years ago to get WJ and Kurt in a Dodge and he told them 4 mil to do it just because of all the parts and work that would have to be done to switch over.I will say his work ethic is one that alot of other teams could try to duplicate.
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Re: Did WJ really say ??? .....
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11/17/13 11:08 AM
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Yeah, I heard the babbling about the high cost of springs,etc and thought it sounded awfully high.But then again, it came out of W.J's mouth so I didn't put too much stock in it.The best W.J. babble came from a post race interview years ago. He had just had a lengthy staging duel with Scott Geoffrion,got beat on the tree, and beat to the stripe E.T. wise and was "unhappy". He said something to the effect of "The punk should learn how to race before pulling something like that". I thought,he just beat YOU at both ends of the track dude,pipe down and move on. Wasn't he wining pretty consistently about 6 or 8 years ago until there was some sort of a new fuel testing rule passed, then suddenly he's a middle-of-the-packer?
That sounds a bit like revisionist history. Johnson won that race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo7b68C_rt4
Hard to believe that was almost 20 years ago now. Thanks for the remembrance. 
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Re: Did WJ really say ??? .....
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11/17/13 12:11 PM
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They already have such as class as James described. It's called Super Stock.
that is NOT what i'm talking about, bring them into this century for crying out loud. do you really think the current configuration they run makes sense?
um yea lets see when was the last carbureted BB sold? was that around 40 years ago? i have to laugh when people say "mopar" won prostock over "chevy" and a "ford" can't compete. give me a break there's not one single mopar, chevy, or ford screw on those cars and they all look like a soap bar going down the track. hell why not have a toyota prostock. now it's become so expensive they're having trouble filling the field. those guys are spending a bazillion dollars to pick up .01
everyone is entitled to their opinion, i guess i just don't see what these cars are "supposed" to be
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Re: Did WJ really say ??? .....
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11/17/13 12:18 PM
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I stand corrected on the outcome, but the tactics at the tree seem to have worked for Scott. So let's review,Connely is the punk, Geoffrion the jerk,for playing the same game that W.J. was playing(how dare he),and W.J. is the whiner no matter the outcome.  I don't doubt he works very hard at a sport which is very expensive, and wish him all the best in his next great endeavour after he quits/retires from racing. Hopefully it won't include him crying on my TV about it's declining popularity or high costs.
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11/17/13 12:21 PM
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Pro Stock motorcycle is the same way.You cant tell them apart without a program.Then they keep changing the rules.Suzuki had no problem when they were winning almost every round and race.Then the HDs and Buells starting winning.Lets add weight etc to the HDS.I used to like crying Antron when he lite the red bulb.Always "Its the lights".Funny he never complained when he didnt red light.Rocky
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11/18/13 03:50 AM
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I was speaking to a friend on one of the top non-mopar teams who said they can no longer get 3 runs on a set of springs, the car will slow down on the third run!
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11/18/13 03:58 AM
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I was speaking to a friend on one of the top non-mopar teams who said they can no longer get 3 runs on a set of springs, the car will slow down on the third run!
Just slow down ... Or will the valves start hitting the pistons ? ... How many companies are making those springs ? ... And what is the 411 on the rear end housing and that being a huge expense ?
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11/18/13 02:06 PM
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The rearend housing is titanium, brackets and all. Less unsprung weight, quicker to respond to changes in transfer of torque and track conditions with the shocks.
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11/18/13 03:17 PM
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I was speaking to a friend on one of the top non-mopar teams who said they can no longer get 3 runs on a set of springs, the car will slow down on the third run!
Yes this is true of naturally aspirated motor spinning 10K rpms or more.
I used the same valve springs on my 10K rpm hemis, they cost $1600. a set when you buy more than one set at a time, then my cost. We broke 2-3 inner valve springs every run after the first 4-5 runs. Change them all out every 10-12 runs.
Some times it was easier/ quicker to change the whole head. Those are all brand new springs in that picture and is why I took it. To prove to my guys working on my car that we started fresh one year. they didn't like changing valve springs any more than I did. 3 of them lived in Ill and was not in the shop everyday.Real big horepower is expensive.
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11/18/13 04:25 PM
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At $1600 a set for spings, it's strange no one has developed a pneumatic valve closing system like F1. I would think that the cost of replacing valve springs every few passes would pay for a pneumatic system rather quickly considering that the pneumatics last many laps at 18K RPM on an F1 car. Is there a rule regarding valve springs that prevents their development in drag cars?
Yes no new exotic heads for years now.
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