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No ? about it being a GTX. The question was is it possible to have a 440 4 speed with a 22 inch radiator and 3.23 sure grip. We know the rear end is a dana but is not original to the car BOM 1969 dated. Thanks Larry J

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No, not as far as I know. If it was a '69 I'd be 100% sure....I'm only 95% sure in your case.

Basically, all "axle package" cars got the 26" rad and all 440-4spd cars got axle packages. Since all GTX's had 440's as the base engine...

I have better info on '69's and '70's but this shows a larger rad for all 440-4spd cars;



To make any better call, we'd need to see pictures of the fender tag but something doesn't sound right. I suppose it's possible that some 1968's were built before the "mandatory axle package (and related 26" rad)" was instituted. Some more research appears to be in order.

Whatever you do, whether it's correct or whether the car was originally an automatic, I wouldn't go cutting out the rad support (with the matching SO numbers to the quarter) unless you determine that the car is a rebody anyway. Otherwise you're going to kill the resale value of the car.


Dave

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Never heard of a 440 4spd car that was a 22" radiator, or 8-3/4 rear axle

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Not 'originally'.

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Fender tag does say 4 speed and 3.23 sure grip yes the SO # match the body. But I did not even know what a SO# was until I purchased the car. Like i said novice to mopars. I just think if you were going to go to all that trouble to stamp a trans and redo the tag it would be for $$$ . Maybe someone before us did pay a chunk a money for the car but I didn't and the guy before me didn't. Well none the less I am putting it back together for me to keep. Maybe i will put the 26 inch in??? Honestly its still a 68 GTX 440 4 speed with a dana and I love to drive it. Well I did before it went to the paint shop!!Thanks Larry J

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Did 68 RR have rocker molding and wheel opening moldings??...

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Can someone post a picture of a factory 4 speed tunnel weld and also mine does have that same seam sealer you find in the trunk seams but some has chunked off so I can see the weld. Also I talked with one of the guys at the body shop and he feels like its the correct factory tunnel not after market and weld and seam sealer. Maybe the ? is would it have seam sealer on the tunnel weld??? Without a BS we may never know!!! Thanks LJ

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Based on what you have told us so far, I don't think a pic of a factory tunnel will be of any help to you.

You said the "fender tag does say 4 speed and 3.23 sure grip yes the SO # match the body", so we know the tag belongs to the body and the car was built as a 4spd. I don't see any reason to further question the 4spd part.

The 3.23 axle is a different story. A 3.23 axle has to be a 8.75 axle, not a Dana, as the Dana axle was not available in 3.23 ratio.

It seems like you are saying the car has a 3.23 ratio Dana, which is not possible from the factory. Either you have a 3.23 axle, in which case it is not a Dana, or you have a Dana, in which case it would not be 3.23 ratio.

The 8.75 vs Dana difference is easy to see at a glance. In case you are not familiar with these axles this thread has an illustration of various Mopar axles.https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=1#Post7917915

You do not need the BS to answer your questions. Since the fender tag matches the body, it has the info you need. Look at the model code and engine code, that will tell you what car model and which engine the car had originally.

Let us know what you find.

No matter what the tag says, it will be a nice car to have!

What color combo is it?

Drive it and enjoy it!

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THE # UNDER AX IS 68 I WAS TOLD IT IS A 3.23 BY PRIVIOUS OWNER?? IS THAT RIGHT? I AM NEW TO MOPARS. THANKS LARRY J

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He already said the Dana wasn't original. He said the tag shows the 4spd and the 3.23's (which is an 8 3/4 ratio) so I suspect either he's misreading the tag or it's a fake.

...and since it's a '68, you can't match the FT/VIN to the Body without the broadcast sheet.

DAve

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Good point about the Dana, I forgot he said the BOM was from 1969.

I realize the BS is needed to match the vin to the car. My point was that his/our questions about whether the car was originally a RR/383/4spd/3.23 or a GTX/440/4spd/3.54 could be answered by the fender tag info only (I am ASSuMEing it is not a fake). I was not referring to the "numbers matching" aspect of the car.

Alan

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Can someone post a picture of a factory 4 speed tunnel

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this is from a 68 gtx.....

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Ok so i just got off the phone with the guy I bought the car from. Both of us are not i repeat not mopar data experts. Here is what we found out AX 68 3.54 dana. but he also confirmed as I did it is a 69 dana not 68. He remembers the radiator that is in the car was put in by a friend after the original one started leaking. He said his friend told him that he had one that should work but he had to modify it??? I think I need to have the body shop measure the opening in my car it may just have the wrong radiator in it. If thats the case I am a DUMB A$$... Thanks Larry J

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