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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: skrews] #1524336 10/29/13 12:15 AM 10/29/13 12:15 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,780 Alabama Mopar-Al master
Mopar-Al master Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,780 Alabama	Well then, is it time for our 10 oclock college course? We havent even learned how much his product costs yet. He is a salesman and in the wrong area of the site. Bottom line is, what he has been saying is what we pretty much know. If your rocker assembly is messed up bad, something will break and fail, but for only 19.95 there is a cure for that. It is rarely that this area has a soliciter selling a product. And if they do, the product sells itself and not pushed. So you B3 angels stay put and be ready for your next lesson.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: Mopar-Al] #1524337 10/29/13 07:33 AM 10/29/13 07:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,657 Fitchburg,Massachusetts MPerry Mopahts memba'
MPerry Mopahts memba' Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,657 Fitchburg,Massachusetts	shaft .870 roller tip .500 lift with 1.5 ratio .622 using 1.6 rockers measurement according to picture .208

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: B3RE] #1524338 10/29/13 08:36 AM 10/29/13 08:36 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 596 Mass. 8 80fbody mopar
80fbody mopar 8 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 596 Mass.	With all the different rocker lengths as AndyF has pointed out, a custom fix does seem like a great idea. As long as it's cost effective versus milling stands or buying another set of rockers. He's definitely ruffled a few feathers but there's plenty others doing similar. I can't count how many posts there's been a reference to installing a certain girdle on our big blocks in order to live.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: Quicktree] #1524339 10/29/13 09:12 AM 10/29/13 09:12 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 739 Florida 4 408Dust super stock
408Dust super stock 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 739 Florida	Quote: BR can you tell us who you are and a little back ground? are you here to sell something? just curious You know it's not the same person that cracked your X block when installing lifter bore bushings.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: 408Dust] #1524340 10/29/13 09:28 AM 10/29/13 09:28 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North RAMM super stock
RAMM super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Quote: BR can you tell us who you are and a little back ground? are you here to sell something? just curious You know it's not the same person that cracked your X block when installing lifter bore bushings. What? J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: Crizila] #1524341 10/29/13 10:58 AM 10/29/13 10:58 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,926 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,926 Ontario, Canada	Quote: I think the formula is his and he wants to keep it that way. Who can blame him? Sounds like he wants your measurements when and if you call him so he can use his formula to either have a solution or tell you your junk isnt to far off to worry about. I understand where everyone is coming from but I also dont like to see a guy who may possibly know his s$%t get thrown under the bus over a picture of a measurement. Education isnt free here in America last I checked. I for one an open arms for this stuff since it can very well address a problem ALOT of Mopar guys didnt even know they had, me included. But when you piss a guy off, over trivial BS and hes gone, hes gone. OK guys back to posting your trophies and dyno results of your bracket engines. Very well said! Yes, the OP is trying to sell his product but that in itself is "help". As for his "secret formula", why should he post it? He's protecting himself, how many businesses do you know that give away their formulas or manufacturing processes? If the math is so simple then someone else should be able to figure it out and post it. And why isn't someone else making these parts? Hmmm, maybe its not so simple after all! FWIW I have actually seen his product first hand (he was at Carlisle in July) and its not just a set of shims to move the shafts up or down, they also move the shafts laterally (which as far as I could tell also required work on the shafts). I thought he had an excellent product and the price was reasonable.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: Stanton] #1524342 10/29/13 11:25 AM 10/29/13 11:25 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,169 CT GTX MATT master
GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,169 CT	Quote: I thought he had an excellent product and the price was reasonable. I spoke with Mike recently as I know my geometry is much less than optimal. The kit looks very nice and the price was very reasonable I thought. The formula is part of the service he is offering for this fee. You take some measurements, send him the numbers, and he uses it to figure out how he needs to machine this shim/spacer/whatever you want to call it so that it will move your rocker shaft to the correct location. If he gave the formula away its all that much easier for an off-shore company to just start making them in a one size fits all kit and will get most people close enough, undercut his price by 50 bucks, and then you'll all be on here complaining that nothing is made in the USA, and that Mike was offering a good service custom making these kits for only 50 bucks more but got ran out of town by the dreaded outsourcers. Additionally theres been a few threads relating to this topic recently that Mike posted on and was asked for more information regarding correct geometry, so maybe he thought it was relevant? Last edited by GTX MATT; 10/29/13 11:26 AM. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: B3RE] #1524343 10/29/13 11:29 AM 10/29/13 11:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quick comments: 1. OP seems to be mixing tech w/ marketing on what is supposed to be a tech-only forum. He should probably have posted under New Products. 2. I have no problems w/ his solution approach and have come up w/ similar fixes (band-aids?) for my own stuff, even if I don't agree 100% w/ his methodology. 3. I can't stand bolts for holding down aluminum heads rocker shafts and would look for quality studs long enough to work, instead. 4. I'd like to know if the poster who says he saw the OP at Carlisle recalls the $$$ for the kits? It bothers me that no prices have been mentioned, but that ties back to point #1 on where IMO this should have been posted... with prices.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: GTX MATT] #1524344 10/29/13 11:47 AM 10/29/13 11:47 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Quote: I thought he had an excellent product and the price was reasonable. I spoke with Mike recently as I know my geometry is much less than optimal. The kit looks very nice and the price was very reasonable I thought. The formula is part of the service he is offering for this fee. You take some measurements, send him the numbers, and he uses it to figure out how he needs to machine this shim/spacer/whatever you want to call it so that it will move your rocker shaft to the correct location. If he gave the formula away its all that much easier for an off-shore company to just start making them in a one size fits all kit and will get most people close enough, undercut his price by 50 bucks, and then you'll all be on here complaining that nothing is made in the USA, and that Mike was offering a good service custom making these kits for only 50 bucks more but got ran out of town by the dreaded outsourcers. Additionally theres been a few threads relating to this topic recently that Mike posted on and was asked for more information regarding correct geometry, so maybe he thought it was relevant? plus new posters aren't exactly welcomed with open arms on this site. Fastest 300

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: Crizila] #1524345 10/29/13 11:50 AM 10/29/13 11:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: ... new posters aren't exactly welcomed with open arms on this site. And more than a few of the old posters have bailed on this place due to changes in attitude & tendencies for other posters to go into "attack mode" over subjects they either don't necessarily understand or agree with.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: BradH] #1524346 10/29/13 12:24 PM 10/29/13 12:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey J jamesc master
jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	Quote: 3. I can't stand bolts for holding down aluminum heads rocker shafts and would look for quality studs long enough to work, instead. i can't for the life of me understand why people use bolts here. all you need to do is figure the length needed and order them from ARP or there are vendors that sell kits with studs and superior hold downs to the stock stamped stuff personally i would NEVER use bolts in an aluminum head and only consider it with an iron head. i've seen so many damaged threads from people cranking down valve gear and it's a PITA to fix half azz properly

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: 408Dust] #1524347 10/29/13 12:26 PM 10/29/13 12:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: Quote: BR can you tell us who you are and a little back ground? are you here to sell something? just curious You know it's not the same person that cracked your X block when installing lifter bore bushings. it was repaired with 100% guarantee. that has nothing to do with this situation. I like to know a little about some one when they come here with so called help.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: BradH] #1524348 10/29/13 01:52 PM 10/29/13 01:52 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,780 Alabama Mopar-Al master
Mopar-Al master Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,780 Alabama	Quote: Quick comments: 1. OP seems to be mixing tech w/ marketing on what is supposed to be a tech-only forum. He should probably have posted under New Products. 2. I have no problems w/ his solution approach and have come up w/ similar fixes (band-aids?) for my own stuff, even if I don't agree 100% w/ his methodology. 3. I can't stand bolts for holding down aluminum heads rocker shafts and would look for quality studs long enough to work, instead. 4. I'd like to know if the poster who says he saw the OP at Carlisle recalls the $$$ for the kits? It bothers me that no prices have been mentioned, but that ties back to point #1 on where IMO this should have been posted... with prices. ^^^^^^ this On his craigslist adds he doesn't give any price info either. I am not out to stalk this guy, so don't take it that way, Brad said it better than I could. Mixing sales and Tech. There are other areas to do that. It just feels like a forsale add with no prices to me. That in itself annoys most anybody that is on a budget. Lots of people here are polishing their trophies and such as been said, without have this option.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: BradH] #1524349 10/29/13 02:42 PM 10/29/13 02:42 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,926 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,926 Ontario, Canada	Quote: 4. I'd like to know if the poster who says he saw the OP at Carlisle recalls the $$$ for the kits? It bothers me that no prices have been mentioned, but that ties back to point #1 on where IMO this should have been posted... with prices. I don't recall the price. I recall seeing the product, getting the complete lowdown and thinking it was reasonably priced. If you want the price, ask the OP. He might have been giving me a smokin' deal cuz I'm such a nice guy!

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: Stanton] #1524350 10/29/13 03:02 PM 10/29/13 03:02 PM
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72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	How about you guys that are b@#$%in like church ladies just call him yourself? Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: 72Swinger] #1524351 10/29/13 03:52 PM 10/29/13 03:52 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,169 CT GTX MATT master
GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,169 CT	Quote: How about you guys that are [Email]b@#$%in[/Email] like church ladies just call him yourself? Exactly, hes only a PM away. I don't want to post the price he gave me because maybe he doesn't want them advertised because it'd be that much easier for someone to figure out how to price it and cut out a piece of his market share. That said I don't see how he could possibly sell them any cheaper and have it be worth his while. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: Stanton] #1524352 10/29/13 04:03 PM 10/29/13 04:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: ... He might have been giving me a smokin' deal cuz I'm such a nice guy! Oh, well... then I'm screwed.

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: BradH] #1524353 10/29/13 05:17 PM 10/29/13 05:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,023 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,023 United Socialist States of Ame...	If he has a good idea and a good product he should make a post here about it. Then we can move it to the hot deals section for all to see it. Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: tboomer] #1524354 10/29/13 05:21 PM 10/29/13 05:21 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: If he has a good idea and a good product he should make a post here about it. Then we can move it to the hot deals section for all to see it. Fastest 300

Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements [Re: Crizila] #1524355 10/29/13 05:31 PM 10/29/13 05:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	heck i would just like him to introduce himself

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