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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: Mopar-Al]
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10/28/13 09:19 AM
10/28/13 09:19 AM
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mac56
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I guess you didnt read through my post all the way. So piss off. I dont play internet games. But I do help out the locals and friends with hands on. I thought maybe I could jot some things down that might help others. But I get this mental block when a jerk starts up with sarcasm. Just like this post won't be informative, it will be a kit forsale add.
Why all the negativity and name calling. If you disagree with the information just say why and I will figure out the world isn't flat.
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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: mac56]
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10/28/13 09:49 AM
10/28/13 09:49 AM
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justinp61
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Why all the negativity and name calling. If you disagree with the information just say why and I will figure out the world isn't flat.
It's the attitude B3RE has taken in his answers. He may well have a good product and it may take care of some valve train issues. I'd try a different approach though  .
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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: justinp61]
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10/28/13 11:17 AM
10/28/13 11:17 AM
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Man why do some people always have to question free advice? The guy says "do this" and maybe I can help. And people act like they're making a deal with the devil. How about use a digital level on the valve tip, then use same reading on your square, then measure. Don't be a square about the square doods......
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: 72Swinger]
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10/28/13 12:31 PM
10/28/13 12:31 PM
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Quicktree
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Man why do some people always have to question free advice? The guy says "do this" and maybe I can help. And people act like they're making a deal with the devil. How about use a digital level on the valve tip, then use same reading on your square, then measure. Don't be a square about the square doods......
I would at least like to know who he is and what his back ground is 
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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: justinp61]
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10/28/13 12:35 PM
10/28/13 12:35 PM
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Mopar-Al
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Why all the negativity and name calling. If you disagree with the information just say why and I will figure out the world isn't flat.
It's the attitude B3RE has taken in his answers. He may well have a good product and it may take care of some valve train issues. I'd try a different approach though .
My post would have been a lot different if the op would of not put me on front street like a bad kid in a class room to be made example of. My eyes and ears are open, but as I said. I have a hard time trying to get any words out that I see in my mind and hands on. Alos, I don't let people back me in a corner. Never have. When I have info to share.... I share it. Without trying to belittle whom I am talking to. So it is what it is. This isnt a classroom, it's the race section on a very large site. We share information, give tips, fellowship, and just participate in the upcoming events. Other vendors or sales people usually get moved to a different forum.
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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: Performance Only]
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10/28/13 12:50 PM
10/28/13 12:50 PM
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Nebraska
72Swinger
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Man why do some people always have to question free advice? The guy says "do this" and maybe I can help. And people act like they're making a deal with the devil. How about use a digital level on the valve tip, then use same reading on your square, then measure. Don't be a square about the square doods......
The basis for the advice is fine by me. I believe wholeheartedly that people should check and correct their rocker arm geometry if needed. The problem I have is when someone claims to help, but only if you call him so he can sell you something. In this case rocker shaft spacers, offset or otherwise. No problem, just place an add instead of misleading people.
Basically just post the formula so people can check their stuff. If there's a problem they can decide how to deal with it.
I think the formula is his and he wants to keep it that way. Who can blame him? Sounds like he wants your measurements when and if you call him so he can use his formula to either have a solution or tell you your junk isnt to far off to worry about. I understand where everyone is coming from but I also dont like to see a guy who may possibly know his s$%t get thrown under the bus over a picture of a measurement. Education isnt free here in America last I checked. I for one an open arms for this stuff since it can very well address a problem ALOT of Mopar guys didnt even know they had, me included. But when you piss a guy off, over trivial BS and hes gone, hes gone. OK guys back to posting your trophies and dyno results of your bracket engines.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: Performance Only]
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10/28/13 02:57 PM
10/28/13 02:57 PM
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In your picture, the bottom of the spring is not centered. doesn't that skew the math?
Seriously?????
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Be sure the square is resting on top of the rocker shaft and the blade is on the same angle as the valve stem.
The picture is a reference to show how to position the square to take the measurement. The spring is an outer from a triple setup that gives a clear view of the square resting against the spring without interference from the retainer. Obviously that spring won't locate on the spring step in the head. Do you really find that troubling or do you just like trying to bust my chops? I'm trying to find ways to help Mopar guys, not tear down others.
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Be sure the square is resting on top of the rocker shaft and the blade is on the same angle as the valve stem. (See Photo)
Clearly the square is NOT on the same angle as the valve stem. If it was, the measurement would be different. If you're not careful enough to post a picture that shows things correctly, what other shortcuts will be next?
The other troubling thing is that your post is just a thinly veiled FOR SALE add to get people to call you and buy some kit. If you really wanted to help people you'd just post your formula so people can check to see if they have a problem. If they do, maybe they'll call you. Sorry, but your whole approach looks more like a snake oil salesman tactic as opposed to someone who's really trying to help.
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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: Performance Only]
#1524330
10/28/13 05:42 PM
10/28/13 05:42 PM
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Gilbert AZ
tsanchez
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on the nose
The head stud is in the way of the valve, but looks like the rocker needs to be raised.
Onig
Longer pushrods are needed but may cause the rocker to push on the side of the valve stem tip instead of the center, that would require filling the bolt hole and re-drilling it further towards the cam. Or you could offset drill and tap the hole to a bigger size stud 
Of course all that makes the PR angle worse than it already is
Just measure the width of the sweep pattern, that'll tell you if the geometry is correct. If it's less than .600 lift it should be less than .025 on the sweep. The closer to the center of the valve the sweep is, the better off you are, but it doesn't have to be perfectly in the center to have good geometry.
This^^^ Is correct.
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Re: Rocker Geometry Measurements
[Re: sam64]
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10/28/13 11:55 PM
10/28/13 11:55 PM
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Washington
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and if one of the IN people on here said they used it you all would have your wallets out.
Quoted for the truth.
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