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Re: Need some schooling on Holley carbs? [Re: Slant6pak] #1520052
10/28/13 01:22 PM
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The original 780 cfm 3310 was stock on Z16 chevelles, that makes it being built as early as 1965. It will have little tabs on the secondary boosters for mixture distribution for the original engine's intake manifold. I believe they were made up until 1969. They also have downleg boosters and rear metering blocks. The 3310-1 is an aftermarket replacement carb and should have the same configuration. They were made into the mid-70s.
That makes both the 780s with rear metering blocks to be 39 years old or older.

Unless you are trying to get "period correct" I'd say chasing after a 3310 or 3310-1 is foolish. In all the years that it survived, it could have been screwed up in so many ways. Also, Holley has improved the metering over the years.

One option for you is to build your own out of a Proform center. It has a lot of improvements and is much closer to what a high performance carb should be, with smoothed intake area, screw-in air bleeds, etc. I'd also say go with new metering blocks, the Holley blocks are notorious for warping or finding other ways to be unsquare.

By the time you price these out, a Quick Fuel or other aftermarket HP carb looks quite good.

If you can't afford that, buy the best model 4160 3310 you can find and substitute an aftermarket rear metering plate that uses rel jets, or else convert to a rear metering block.

The modern Holley version of the 3310 is the 80508, which from what I hear runs pretty good out of the box, and probably does a lot better job of fuel metering. Holley does make a "nostalgic" 3310, if one has to have the number stamped into the carb.

I substituted a 570 Street Avenger for an 1850 600 cfm carb and the differentce is very apparent, in a good way.

Another approach is the brand new Barry Grant Street Demon, you can now get it as a 750, with a plastic fuel bowl. It is supposed to be even better than the Street Avengers, even after some tuning.

But the bottom line is, unless one is a carb expert, one is almost always better getting a new(er) carb.

R.

Re: Need some schooling on Holley carbs? [Re: dogdays] #1520053
10/28/13 01:33 PM
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But the bottom line is, unless one is a carb expert, one is almost always better getting a new(er) carb.






However, recently (read: STILL) going through such trying to rebuild my AVS carb, this is sound advice. By the time I purchased the kit, the pull-off, the rod/jet kit, and all the ancillaries to clean/rebuild it properly, I was NEARLY at the level of buying a brand new carb. In my case, it would have been a 4160 of some form or flavor.

Most 3310's I see at the swap meets were worked on by Bubba Drag Racer and have things like holes drilled in the throttle plates, mismatched metering blocks, strip screw heads, etc. I'd avoid buying a used carb (of which you don't know the history) like the plague. One of the only reasons I decided to stick with my AVS, it was ORIGINAL to it and untouched, so I was fairly certain I could make it right.

eBay prices on used carbs are over-inflated. I see $200+ original carbs for sale (needing rebuilt), and prices for new carbs the same (or more) as buying direct from Summit, Jegs, etc. I guess there are a lot of numbers matching guys with deep pockets out there for the originals. I wouldn't mind finding myself a nice Superquad at some point, and that is probably the ONLY used carb I'd spring any amount of money to buy.


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Re: Need some schooling on Holley carbs? [Re: peabodyracing] #1520054
10/30/13 11:08 AM
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I've always used sea foam in the gas tank before storing and haven't had problems.




is sea foam better then the sta-bil i'm using ... i'm using the one for marine engines...

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Re: Need some schooling on Holley carbs? [Re: dogdays] #1520055
10/31/13 08:48 PM
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Unless you are trying to get "period correct" I'd say chasing after a 3310 or 3310-1 is foolish. In all the years that it survived, it could have been screwed up in so many ways. Also, Holley has improved the metering over the years.

One option for you is to build your own out of a Proform center.

If you can't afford that, buy the best model 4160 3310 you can find and substitute an aftermarket rear metering plate that uses rel jets, or else convert to a rear metering block.

The modern Holley version of the 3310 is the 80508, which from what I hear runs pretty good out of the box, and probably does a lot better job of fuel metering. Holley does make a "nostalgic" 3310, if one has to have the number stamped into the carb.







Cost is not the factor.... a brand new carb with lots of anodized billet parts will not blend in very well with an engine that is trying very hard to look stock...

I'm not trying to be a cheapskate... I'm trying to build a car thats a bit of a sleeper.

I'd like a 750 cfm Holley-style carb that I can dress up with correct 71' add-ons (original finish, original choke, etc.) with as many modern features as I can sneak in.


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