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My clutch failure from Norwalk
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10/13/13 09:46 PM
10/13/13 09:46 PM
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Rittman Ohio
fourgearsavoy
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First round went great with the car right on the number  Second round I came out of the water and had no clutch pedal, went straight to the floor and stayed like the linkage failed. Well I finally got it apart and found chunks of the Polycoil springs stuck between the plate and disc. Anybody ever seen this failure with a Ram disc before? Gus 
64 Plymouth Savoy
493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow
5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box
Dana 60
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Re: My clutch failure from Norwalk
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
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10/14/13 07:31 AM
10/14/13 07:31 AM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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Gus I havent seen that but I did have one where the material basically fell apart.I had another that looked like it melted and the plate was welded to the disc.Looks like the disc was well worn on yours.Rocky
Chrysler Firepower
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Re: My clutch failure from Norwalk
[Re: therocks]
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10/14/13 09:08 AM
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fourgearsavoy
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Yeah it was about done  I have about 90 time slips on it and about 2000 street miles. I'm gonna change over to CenterforceII plate with a Mcleod dual friction disc for a more street freindly setup. Gus
64 Plymouth Savoy
493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow
5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box
Dana 60
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Re: My clutch failure from Norwalk
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10/14/13 12:31 PM
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YEah,,....A lot of stuff isn't recommended for the street, but we all do it anyways! My old disc and PP were used race pieces that I bought as a package for the transmissions. So I threw them in and ran them. I'm ok with the fact that they didn't last long.
I'll tell you this much, I've had a few different things in this car, since I switched to a stick and now it's all McLeod. PP, Disc, TO bearing, and flywheel. I really think that they sell a good quality product. The old RST twin that I took out (23 spline) was like new. Great product.
This disc and PP are currently behind 650 to 700 hp cars, according to the guys at McLeod that I talked to. No issues, no problems. Street cars with a lot of track time. They only rate the disc to 600hp though.
So my estimated 525hp+ or so isn't going to push it too the breaking point.
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Re: My clutch failure from Norwalk
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10/14/13 12:40 PM
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Lar 414, I thought those Bronze puck discs were not recommended for street use though, no?
If so, why does the "disclaimer" state " Expect some chatter with street use"? I put my Ram puck disc in this past April/May. Virtually less than 100 street miles and maybe 30 trips down the track.I used a CFDF pressure plate with the Ram disc. Mine started to slip at the PID race a couple weeks back. I pulled it and it is wiped out. I've since gone back to a tried true system. CFDF is back in and will stay in from now on. The kind of driving/racing that I do, I expect some set backs from time to time. This was one of those "learning curves" that I consider a waste of time and money. Over the many years that I've owned my car, I've tried most every brand of clutch systems out there within my price range. I had wanted to install the DFX disc, but they were on back order at the time and I wanted to get on the road. So I wasted my time and money on the Ram disc. I had tried Hays and Ram in the past with no success. I should have known better. Shame on me. 
4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight
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Re: My clutch failure from Norwalk
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10/14/13 12:47 PM
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Lar 414, I thought those Bronze puck discs were not recommended for street use though, no?
If so, why does the "disclaimer" state " Expect some chatter with street use"? I put my Ram puck disc in this past April/May. Virtually less than 100 street miles and maybe 30 trips down the track.I used a CFDF pressure plate with the Ram disc. Mine started to slip at the PID race a couple weeks back. I pulled it and it is wiped out. I've since gone back to a tried true system. CFDF is back in and will stay in from now on. The kind of driving/racing that I do, I expect some set backs from time to time. This was one of those "learning curves" that I consider a waste of time and money. Over the many years that I've owned my car, I've tried most every brand of clutch systems out there within my price range. I had wanted to install the DFX disc, but they were on back order at the time and I wanted to get on the road. So I wasted my time and money on the Ram disc. I had tried Hays and Ram in the past with no success. I should have known better. Shame on me.
From Rams website - "6000 Series Metallic
RAM 6000 Series paddle discs are the refined version of the original patented 3 point Rametallic disc. Sintered bronze metallic buttons provide crisp, clean engagement. This aggressive material allows you to use less static pressure in the clutch and achieve comparable holding power. 6000 Series discs tend to engage very aggressively and will cause clutch chatter if used in a street application. All 6000 Series discs use the Poly-coil hub damper spring for increased disc life and unmatched dampening qualities. Use 6000 series discs for bracket racing, severe duty street and strip, light duty truck pulling, and increased holding power in oval track applications requiring a stock type pressure plate."
Touche you are correct, I'll keep my fingers crossed for the PowergripHD I bought, I've heard lots of good things about them as far as holding up to a lot of power without slipping 
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: My clutch failure from Norwalk
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
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10/15/13 07:47 AM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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Gus that looks like the same setup I have in the 65.Been in at least 12 years.Still hooks great and shifts at 6700 with no problems.I did use a Timken bearing though.Once you get used to it you will probally love it.Rocky
Chrysler Firepower
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Re: My clutch failure from Norwalk
[Re: sogtx]
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10/19/13 10:41 AM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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Gus I had the CF bearing in first.It sat for a few years and was growling when I started driving it again.My buddy at AZ found me an old OE style Timken at the wearhouse.Cost me like 15 bucks which was dirt cheap.Its been in at least 8 years now and still works perfect.Rocky
Chrysler Firepower
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I don't like seeing the spring come out, but I guess random failures do happen. Tell Ram about it maybe they'll do something for your next clutch.
