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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: BradH] #1516664
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1. Your Lot Date is definitely the later production w/ the smaller chamber (advertised 72 cc) and more restrictive ports.

2. Yes, you're leaving a lot on the table by having run them as true OOB heads. Porting, chamber work & valve job are all areas for improvement.,

Me, I can't run ANYTHING OOB... but my junk's never together to run much, either.


I hear ya Brad. Just wanted to try it this way to start plus, the $$$ saved by not porting helped buy rockers. In fact, mine is the first engine I've seen in person "running" with Victor heads. Everyone else I know around here runs Indy. Heck I'm surrounded by 'em . Just had to be different and go against the grain


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: MoParFish] #1516665
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I hear ya', too. When I picked up the 2nd set of original OOB 75 cc heads after having bought a set of Hughes' CNC-ported 75 cc heads, I thought about putting my RB 452 back together w/ the OOB heads, too, and switching to the CNC'd heads later for a true before-and-after comparison.

But I couldn't stand the idea of actually running the OOB heads OOB... would HAVE to do SOMETHING to them first, whether a good valve job, some basic runner & bowl cleanup, etc.

So, I gave up on that idea and am slowly putting things together w/ the CNC'd heads and the worked-over M1 intake (on which I spent too many hours and too many $$$) that matches it.


Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: BradH] #1516666
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I bought a top end set up with the Victor M.W. heads, Super Victor 4500 intake and valley plate from a member, he bought them from Hughes with thier extruded rocker arms and valves ready to assemble. I check one combustion chamber last night with a Autolite 3911 spark plug in it and it measured 74.6 CC. I looked on the Edlbrock web site and printed thier head flow information, I'm kind of disappointed in what I read. Has anyone flowed a set of those heads with the M.W. ports ? if so can you post the results , especially at .300,.400, .500 and .600 please


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516667
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I bought a top end set up with the Victor M.W. heads, Super Victor 4500 intake and valley plate from a member, he bought them from Hughes with thier extruded rocker arms and valves ready to assemble. I check one combustion chamber last night with a Autolite 3911 spark plug in it and it measured 74.6 CC. I looked on the Edlbrock web site and printed thier head flow information, I'm kind of disappointed in what I read. Has anyone flowed a set of those heads with the M.W. ports ? if so can you post the results , especially at .300,.400, .500 and .600 please


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516668
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Cab...I have my sheet here. Mine were the 77929s opened up to MW port. Would that help you?


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: tboomer] #1516669
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Cab...I have my sheet here. Mine were the 77929s opened up to MW port. Would that help you?


Yes it would I called Eddy tech. this morning and ask several questions about what they offer in M.W heads and if the Victor head and the Victor M.W. was the same casting, it is according to them I'm suprised with the flow results they have on thier web site, hence my wanting to see other flow results Thanks, Ted


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516670
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OK..Bear in mind that these were hand ported by Radar Lechtenberg at R&J Performance in Hudson,Iowa.
Lift at Valve Range Percent CFM@ 28"in.
.100 3 .45 72
.200 3 .89 142.5
.300 4 .64 204
.400 4 .84 268
.500 4 .97 310
.600 5 .71 340
.700 5 .735 351.4
That takes care of the intake. Now the exhaust
.100 2 .77 61.5
.200 3 .73 121.5
.300 4 .50 167
.400 4 .60 200
.500 4 .685 229
.600 4 .735 245.5
.700 4 .765 255.4

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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: tboomer] #1516671
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The Eddy web sites indicates that they CNC the 440 Victor head to make it the M.W.victor head so seeing results for a set opened up by a competent head porter would be good Maybe there is hope for mine


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516672
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Cab...I think Radar is pretty good at what he does! I wasn't going to put them on but I am glad that we did! Even though I can't drive my car it was sure a hoot seeing it run!!


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516673
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Makes sense as the numbers they show are the same as what they show for standard Victors. All they changed was the part number.

Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: tboomer] #1516674
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Thanks again Ted I hear you on the driving, I'm going to have a freind who is licensed for 8.50 ET and has all the safety gear drive my Cuda at the MATS race so I can see what it will run at WOT with no stop thanks again


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516675
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Anytime Cab! For an fyi it ran a best of 10.47 with the MP 383-440 Aluminum heads that were also done by Radar. So far it has gone 10.15 with only 32* of timing and not enough jet. Like you always say...Your results may vary! Also it is over 3500#.


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: 451Cuda] #1516676
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Makes sense as the numbers they show are the same as what they show for standard Victors. All they changed was the part number.


I jsut looked at both flow sheets for the 440 port size Victor #77929 and the 77949 M.W. Victor port size and the flow numbers are no different, exactly the same I called Eddy tech. again before looking back at this post and ask them if the flow numbers psoted on their web site for the M.W. was for the M.W. or the 440 port sizes, the tech, Ron, assued me that they where for the M.W. heads, not the 440 port sizes Me thinks they no nothing about what they talk about I don't know if I should waste any more of my time calling Eddy tech to point thier erors out to them or not, any volunteers want to do that now We'll see


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516677
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Cab think of your head as a funnel with the BIG part of the funnel being the intake flange opening. If you make the large opening bigger it won't let more flow come out of the small end. It only makes the BIG end easier to hit. Max wedge opening gives you a different option for intake manifolds but unless you open the rest of the port it won't or shouldn't flow more.


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: pittsburghracer] #1516678
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Cab think of your head as a funnel with the BIG part of the funnel being the intake flange opening. If you make the large opening bigger it won't let more flow come out of the small end. It only makes the BIG end easier to hit. Max wedge opening gives you a different option for intake manifolds but unless you open the rest of the port it won't or shouldn't flow more.


That is what the Eddy Tech said on the first and last call, thanks for reinforcing what he said My non ported Indy SR with M.W. ports flowed similar to what Teds ported Victor M.W. do now, not like what the flow sheets showned on the Eddy Web site show I have a set of 440-1 that Jeff CNC ported before he died so I'll dig them out and do some port comparing with some mechanical calipers from those to the new Eddy Victors M.W. and see what I find. Thanks again to all of you O.P.,sorry for hijacking this post


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516679
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FWIW, Dwayne Porter posted some MW Victor flow data in the thread I started on my Procomp porting results HERE.

You need to scroll about 2/3 of the way down to see what he added to the thread.

Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516680
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... Me thinks they no(sp) nothing about what they talk about



Same here, since the OOB standard vs. MW Victor flow tests I've seen do show the MW ports flowing more up high.

Also, their advertised flow #s don't reflect the changes they made to the Victor heads at the end of 2011. They don't flow as well OOB now due to chamber & bowl revisions.

Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: BradH] #1516681
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One thing for people to check is the #2 and #4 rocker stands. Mine were .200 too wide if I remember correctly.


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Cab think of your head as a funnel with the BIG part of the funnel being the intake flange opening. If you make the large opening bigger it won't let more flow come out of the small end. It only makes the BIG end easier to hit. Max wedge opening gives you a different option for intake manifolds but unless you open the rest of the port it won't or shouldn't flow more.


That is what the Eddy Tech said on the first and last call, thanks for reinforcing what he said My non ported Indy SR with M.W. ports flowed similar to what Teds ported Victor M.W. do now, not like what the flow sheets showned on the Eddy Web site show I have a set of 440-1 that Jeff CNC ported before he died so I'll dig them out and do some port comparing with some mechanical calipers from those to the new Eddy Victors M.W. and see what I find. Thanks again to all of you O.P.,sorry for hijacking this post





Its all good info Cab and for us old, and young racers needs discussed once in awhile so it sinks in and makes some sense. Its like degreeing in a cam, you can watch someone do it 10 times but until you do it yourself its all French. Then we get that dumb look on our face like I do 100 times a day.


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Re: Edelbrock Victor Max Wedge Heads - OOTB Results [Re: Cab_Burge] #1516683
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Thanks again to all of you O.P.,sorry for hijacking this post


No problem I like seeing everyone's info on these heads. You guys had a busy morning


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