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Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dfsmopars] #1509299
09/29/13 04:43 PM
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Since no one has mentioned this: have you double checked to make sure your carb is opening all the way?

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Since no one has mentioned this: have you double checked to make sure your carb is opening all the way?



Yes sir I'll check again but I think it's good.
70cuda, I'll give it try. Honestly, the MSD pods intimidate me. There are like thousands of combinations.
As far as the TC cannot justify spending more money on it- for now I'm stuck with it.


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Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dfsmopars] #1509301
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not bad. what did you think you were going to run? more convert and more gear and you'd be in the 13's easy.


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Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1509302
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throw a mild shot of NO2,and be done with it..

Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1509303
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not bad. what did you think you were going to run? more convert and more gear and you'd be in the 13's easy.



Thought the car would be right at 14.00. The disappointment was the speed through the traps. Thought it would be closer to 100 than 90.


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Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dfsmopars] #1509304
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A tricked Holley 750 DF DP, 3.91 gears, 2800-3200 converter and Caltracs along with good tuning should make a big difference and still be streetable. Built that same car for a friend with a very mild 440 driven daily and it went mid 12's.

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i dont understand the responses saying that that car needs a bigger carb. it runs pretty much what it should in my humble opinion,might run alitle better times given more time and practice but look at the camspecs and you will understand the lack of mph lift isnt everything duration is the reason that engine wont make alot of HP.

more gear and converter would help some but a bigger carb wont do much if anything.

Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: 1Fast340] #1509306
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I think the 60 foot is in line with the ET and I would guess the weight of it all going down the track is closer to 4,200 pounds than 3,600 pounds (4,000 pound car and 200 or so pound driver I'm guessing).

Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dfsmopars] #1509307
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'72 B-bodies are really that heavy? Our '72 Challenger weighs 3,340 pounds.

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i dont understand the responses saying that that car needs a bigger carb. it runs pretty much what it should in my humble opinion,might run alitle better times given more time and practice but look at the camspecs and you will understand the lack of mph lift isnt everything duration is the reason that engine wont make alot of HP.

more gear and converter would help some but a bigger carb wont do much if anything.




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If the response is "there's too many combinations" in terms of tuning the ignition - then my impression is the OP is not able to tune to get the best possible reuslt. For bolted together and mildly tweaked I'd say it's deaed on. That cam's way small IMO. I'd like to see another 8-10° of duration @ .050 and IMO the ignition and then carb need serious tuning.


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Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dustergirl340] #1509309
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First off, how many passes did you make? What were the weather conditions? Humidity and headwind make a huge difference on a little motor in a big car.

IMHO, your converter/tire/gear combo suck for that camshaft.

It's easy to get discouraged your first time out. Go out in a little better weather, launch a little better, and you will probably get in the high 13's the way it sits.


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Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dustergirl340] #1509310
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'72 B-bodies are really that heavy? Our '72 Challenger weighs 3,340 pounds.




I was going to question a race weight of 4200 lbs as well.

my full framed regular cab (short wheelbase) Dakota with my 220 lb butt in the seat and a full tank of gas only weighs 4000 lbs. and half of the frame is a full enclosed frame, while the back half of the frame is just a "C" channel.

I'd be shocked if a small block 72 Charger weighed 4200 lbs with the driver in the seat.


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Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: 70Cuda383] #1509311
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Lots of apples to oranges comparisons about the weight. Yeah my '67 Satellite weighs 3,600 pounds but that's not an early '70s Charger either.

I still say it is closer to 4,000 pounds than 3,600 pounds but there's only one way to find out which wouldn't be a bad idea so the OP knows what he's dealing with and if his ET is really off or not.

I did find this in the archives:

"My '71 Charger is 3,850, and that is with the A/C removed and aluminum heads, intake, and waterpump housing. Best way to find out is to just weigh it."

Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dfsmopars] #1509312
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not bad. what did you think you were going to run? more convert and more gear and you'd be in the 13's easy.



Thought the car would be right at 14.00. The disappointment was the speed through the traps. Thought it would be closer to 100 than 90.




I don't think you have enough motor for 100. Maybe with more gear. I can see you picking up a few mph in tuning/driving.

Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: 67Satty] #1509313
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With the gear your running and that tall tire is killing it in that heavy car, if you have a 8 3/4 borrow a 4:30 gear from one of your buddy's for the weekend and try that you will shurely get well into 13s. If you want twelves put a modest nitrous plate on it.

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My 73 weigh's 3980 lbs according to CAT scale's With less engine and cam but more gear it has gone 14.3 at 95.25 Give that engine more timing and a Holley 650 dbl pumper using 68-70primaty jet. While the carter is good reliable carb it is no match for the holley period.I have 6 carter AVS so this is not a case of not running them. Get a Comp 268-270- 280 cam the car will be faster period. and get the timing to at least 40 degree total I get those times with a dual point dist

Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1509315
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700 pound difference between your B and our E...really interesting. What makes the B body so much heavier?

Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dfsmopars] #1509316
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What's the compression ratio? A low compression can make an engine lazy.

The AFB is a great carb for the street. A Holley is a better carb for the track. You said this is a street car so stick with what you've got.

Lower rear gears would help. That A500 would pull a 3.91 nicely on the highway. Find out what the power band of the cam is supposed to be and get the rear gears that would put you above the low rpm point at 60 mph in OD.

I'd leave the converter alone with this being a street car.


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A really good converter that's matched to the combo is a joy for a street car that sees track time. Mine is a 9.5" PTC...it acts mild and normal while driving on the street, and wakes up when I mat it. It even lowered my cruising RPM by a couple hundred.

Re: Please rate time slip for street car [Re: dfsmopars] #1509318
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Obviously I didn't do my homework on the TC. This Hughes 2500 seems a little loose on the street but that could be a symptom of the tall tires as well. Options looked limited on a builder for the converter who could include lockup.
The 3.55 gears are what I had in the car before the A500 and 5.9. The car originally had 2.76s.
There are truck scales here at work and I'll use them as soon as possible just for the information.
As far as compression, with the RHS X heads the compression was estimated at 9.5 by Hughes Engines. The KB pistons were 0.017" above deck when put together.
Don't blame Hughes for the cam, my request was for a bottom end "torquey" cam.


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