Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Gauging Interest in Hawk HP+ for Mopar 11.75" Pin [Re: AlexP] #1506393
03/23/14 03:39 AM
03/23/14 03:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
astjp2 Offline
master
astjp2  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
Look at the crown vic dual piston calipers, the 11.75 is close enough to the 12.02 that it might be a viable option. Tim


1941 Taylorcraft
1968 Charger
1994 Wrangler
1998 Wrangler
2008 Kia Rio
2017 Jetta

I didn't do 4 years and 9 months of Graduate School to be called Mister!
Re: Gauging Interest in Hawk HP+ for Mopar 11.75" Pin [Re: AlexP] #1506394
03/24/14 02:10 AM
03/24/14 02:10 AM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 6,566
Downtown Roebuck Ont
Twostick Offline
Still wishing...
Twostick  Offline
Still wishing...

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 6,566
Downtown Roebuck Ont
Quote:

They said that their engineering department can't do it.

Welcome to the unloved world of mopar.




Can't or won't?

If they already make a pad for that app exactly how much more engineering and rocket science is involved in making one out of a compound they already have and bonding it to a core?? If the real reason is 12 sets won't pay to start the machinery then spit out a number that will.

Just another in a long line of companies that only want to sell parts they want to sell, not parts people want to buy.

Kevin

Re: Gauging Interest in Hawk HP+ for Mopar 11.75" Pin [Re: Twostick] #1506395
03/24/14 10:03 AM
03/24/14 10:03 AM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
Supercuda Offline
About to go away
Supercuda  Offline
About to go away

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
Quote:

[
Can't or won't?

If they already make a pad for that app exactly how much more engineering and rocket science is involved in making one out of a compound they already have and bonding it to a core?? If the real reason is 12 sets won't pay to start the machinery then spit out a number that will.

Just another in a long line of companies that only want to sell parts they want to sell, not parts people want to buy.

Kevin




If people wanted to buy those parts they could sell more than 12 of them.

Just because you want something doesn't mean someone else wants to pay for it. Now, I bet if you called them up and said "I want 1000 sets, paid for up front" the would fire up the machinery. Then you could figure out how to sell them.

Ever reline brakes? I have.

Why not reline your own?


They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
Re: Gauging Interest in Hawk HP+ for Mopar 11.75" Pin [Re: Supercuda] #1506396
03/24/14 12:14 PM
03/24/14 12:14 PM
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 841
Santa Fe Springs, CA
Dan@Hotchkis Offline
super stock
Dan@Hotchkis  Offline
super stock

Joined: May 2012
Posts: 841
Santa Fe Springs, CA
Quote:

Quote:

[
Can't or won't?

If they already make a pad for that app exactly how much more engineering and rocket science is involved in making one out of a compound they already have and bonding it to a core?? If the real reason is 12 sets won't pay to start the machinery then spit out a number that will.

Just another in a long line of companies that only want to sell parts they want to sell, not parts people want to buy.

Kevin




If people wanted to buy those parts they could sell more than 12 of them.

Just because you want something doesn't mean someone else wants to pay for it. Now, I bet if you called them up and said "I want 1000 sets, paid for up front" the would fire up the machinery. Then you could figure out how to sell them.

Ever reline brakes? I have.

Why not reline your own?




This is a very good point. If the manufacturing isn't cost-productive, it make no sense to make. We have this a lot for our Mopars unfortunately. Most companies aren't going to shut down their production of 10,000 Mustang brake pads to make a set of 10. If you want someone to blame, blame all the Mopar folks who own cars and don't drive them on the Autocross or track. Supply will follow demand.

Re: Gauging Interest in Hawk HP+ for Mopar 11.75" Pin [Re: Dan@Hotchkis] #1506397
03/24/14 11:10 PM
03/24/14 11:10 PM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 6,566
Downtown Roebuck Ont
Twostick Offline
Still wishing...
Twostick  Offline
Still wishing...

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 6,566
Downtown Roebuck Ont
Quote:

This is a very good point. If the manufacturing isn't cost-productive, it make no sense to make. We have this a lot for our Mopars unfortunately. Most companies aren't going to shut down their production of 10,000 Mustang brake pads to make a set of 10. If you want someone to blame, blame all the Mopar folks who own cars and don't drive them on the Autocross or track. Supply will follow demand.





I don't disagree but they were the ones to say buy 12 sets and we'll make them. If it took more sets then they should have spit out the right number.

$60 a set retail (if that's the price) is $720 which in their world is less than pocket change I'm sure but it would likely cover the cost of making 20 or 30 more sets just in case the guys that bought the 12 want more or heaven forbid tell somebody else and they want some too.

Plus it never occurred to them that a set could wind up in your hands.

Being as you're in the go fast around corners Mopar suspension business, if you thought they were better than anything else on the market and you would know the difference, you could conceivably add a line of brake parts to your Mopar line-up or pass on the info to whatever brake vendor you endorse and they make that 1000 unit order.

Just seems like a lost opportunity for them to get some market research done at little to no cost.

Kevin

Re: Gauging Interest in Hawk HP+ for Mopar 11.75" Pin [Re: Twostick] #1506398
03/25/14 02:04 AM
03/25/14 02:04 AM
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 841
Santa Fe Springs, CA
Dan@Hotchkis Offline
super stock
Dan@Hotchkis  Offline
super stock

Joined: May 2012
Posts: 841
Santa Fe Springs, CA
Both Wilwood and Baer make fantastic kits that have the pad selections you are looking for. Factory brakes are a good starting place, but far from the best. Hustling down a 3800lbs b-body from 140mph with 11 inch rotors and a single piston caliper; while exhilarating; is not my idea of fun.

Re: Gauging Interest in Hawk HP+ for Mopar 11.75" Pin [Re: mod5v] #1506399
03/25/14 09:58 PM
03/25/14 09:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,664
IN
A
ahy Offline
master
ahy  Offline
master
A

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,664
IN
Quote:

Is there a different pad for the 10.5 v/s 11.75 rotor? I have calipers and brackets for the smaller 10.5" rotors off a 73 charger. Was hopeing to find some decent pads for them. they are the pin type.




FF makes carbon metallic shoes for pin type... also drum shoes. I'm running their drum shoes on the rear and carbon metallic pads with 13" rotors in the front. It all works well but I don't have much comparison to share. In general the carbon metalic seems a little soft when dead cold and gets better bite as it warms.

http://www.firmfeel.com/carbonme_b.htm

Re: Gauging Interest in Hawk HP+ for Mopar 11.75" Pin [Re: Supercuda] #1506400
03/26/14 10:14 PM
03/26/14 10:14 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,847
Oakdale CT
gdonovan Offline
I Live Here
gdonovan  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,847
Oakdale CT
Quote:

Now, I bet if you called them up and said "I want 1000 sets, paid for up front" the would fire up the machinery.




Doesn't always work that way.

I was dealing with one famous aftermarket forced induction company and offered to put up over $10,000 for them to combine two products they already made into one package. I'd be able to sell hundreds a year!

They refused, just had no interest in doing it they said.




"I think its got a hemi"
Page 2 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1