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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: Dave Watt]
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I do the body work over epoxy. I've seen too many cars with putty on bare metal that had rust under the putty.
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: Dave Watt]
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09/03/13 12:26 PM
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Some will put filler on bare metal, block, then prime. Others will prime the whole body, then start the filler work.
What do the professionals think?
Always do it over epoxy.Filler is like a sponge,it will absorb moisture and cause rust under it .Epoxy blocks moisture . That way you can have a piece of mind knowing that you won't have to deal with rust issues down the road
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: elitecustombody]
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09/03/13 12:49 PM
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To add another question to the mix.
Do you osphos under the epoxy or not?
In the case that you striped the paint with a DA as oppose to blasting, would you epoxy or self etch? Even with blasting I like to osphos and DA would leave more potential for rust than blasting, I have been in the practice of using osphos even on blasted areas. Any thoughts?
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: Challenger 1]
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09/03/13 06:28 PM
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How do you clean after blasting? Meaning how do you get all the blasting dust off.
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: Challenger 1]
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09/03/13 07:03 PM
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Do you wipe with a solution of some sort? I am currently using Windex with 10% acrisol in it and then a tack rag.
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
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09/03/13 09:25 PM
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Interesting, I am referring to when painting over primer, never painted straight on bare metal except for small parts, brackets and such, never had a body good enough to allow that.
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: Challenger 1]
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09/03/13 09:29 PM
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Great information going on here. Keep it going, so lets say you have a slow paced project and can;t go too far at once. I'm getting some major metal work underneath now to an old SS/E A12 car. If my car needed some minor dent removal to the shell in various locations such as quarters, too, floor, would you dolley that first before blasting, or after? And once you have blasted and primed with epoxy, started filling and sanding filler, whats the next coat over that initial epoxy? I am assuming you will burn thru the epoxy while sanding the filler, maybe need more filler, etc. So to avoid filler over bare metal you would add more primer? Gets confusing to think about for the amatuer body man. personally I am hoping to sub out the blasting and first epoxy step, then bring car home to save money on bottom, inside, and possibly engine compartment and trunk.... 
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: Q5_Ed]
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09/03/13 09:55 PM
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Ed, do you have any pictures of that paint job before the sand paper, the design/pattern I can see looks fricking awesome!
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: elitecustombody]
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09/03/13 10:39 PM
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Quote:
Quote:
Another hi-jack:
Some will put filler on bare metal, block, then prime. Others will prime the whole body, then start the filler work.
What do the professionals think?
Always do it over epoxy.Filler is like a sponge,it will absorb moisture and cause rust under it .Epoxy blocks moisture . That way you can have a piece of mind knowing that you won't have to deal with rust issues down the road
thanks for that info!!
A gentleman (who does fleet vehicle bodywork as a profession, and restorations on the side) has suggested using fiberglass reinforced filler at the seam where the 1/4 panel joins with the roof. Ok to go this route?? or is using lead as a filler the way to go??
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: mopar346]
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09/04/13 08:59 PM
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I took several paint layers off with a citrus stripper, that pattern is a lace over the original Q5 on the bottom layer. Amazingly preserved under all the race car repaints. I do have a few pic's from back in the day.
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: Q5_Ed]
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09/04/13 09:05 PM
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I don't think it loaded please try again or e-mail them to me. mopar346@yahoo.comI think this is the car.
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: mopar346]
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09/04/13 09:20 PM
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Ya thats the lace on the side back in the mid 70's. Don't have any good close ups, but the shop photo is pretty much it. It has not been stripped yet or will it be anytime soon.
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: Q5_Ed]
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09/04/13 09:29 PM
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Awesome car!
Back to topic, epoxy don't self etch, filler over epoxy, prime and block til your hands are numb and block once more.
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Re: Prep for painting over epoxy primer? Sitting a while
[Re: jughed]
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09/04/13 09:35 PM
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Quote:
Quote:
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Another hi-jack:
Some will put filler on bare metal, block, then prime. Others will prime the whole body, then start the filler work.
What do the professionals think?
Always do it over epoxy.Filler is like a sponge,it will absorb moisture and cause rust under it .Epoxy blocks moisture . That way you can have a piece of mind knowing that you won't have to deal with rust issues down the road
thanks for that info!!
A gentleman (who does fleet vehicle bodywork as a profession, and restorations on the side) has suggested using fiberglass reinforced filler at the seam where the 1/4 panel joins with the roof. Ok to go this route?? or is using lead as a filler the way to go??
go with lead 
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