Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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maybe you are asking for to much at 3500lbs. low compression, steel heads, small cam
He is... to ask the times he is looking for in the heat and he would be lucky to see it in the cool weather
and a 410 gear, it sounds more like a street combo. converter needs to be 5600+
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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Im intressed to know how much you gained going to sissy trans?
Combo is totally different than when it had the stick, so there is no comparison...I did however gain consistency and the peace of mind that every pass might be my transmissions last.
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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The fact that my incrementals are all inline with eachother is what has me a little upset...I built this thing to run 10.90's and im struggling to even get 11 oh's out of it. I am running IMM prepped and ported RHS X heads that flow 291/212 cfm at .600"...I agree that the converter could have been loosened more, but at this point sending it back out is not feasible (its almost $450 to get it re-stalled which was covered by them this past time, but next time around I would have to pay...plus the 100 bucks in shipping there and back )...However, its definitely an improvement over how it was stalling before
I too am thinking that advancing the cam might not really give me much improvement, if any, at all....but its worth a try right? Maybe the car will pick...atleast I sure as heck hope so...otherwise this winter its back to the drawing board to figure out how to get more power out of this thing.
maybe you are asking for to much at 3500lbs. low compression, steel heads, small cam
Do you think so? Im not being sarcastic here either when I say that...I thought a 408 stroker, even with my steel heads, 4.10 gear and 28" tires would be sure fire way to break into or atleast get real close to running 10's in my car...albeit I didn't think my car would weigh as much as it does, but I have seen others post on here about their 3400lb cars going 10's no problem with sb strokers, so I didn't think I would be too far off.
I know removing weight is the easiest way to go faster, but I am honestly out of ideas. I have no backseat, kirkey seats up front, glass hood, aluminum wheels, 904 instead of a 727, no p/s or p/b or a/c...Heck, the only things left would be aluminum heads, glass bumpers, and when I switch to electric fans over my clutch fan (which really I don't think should weigh much anyways)...The mild steel cage added quite a bit of weight to the car, but I have no clue where else to start a diet on this thing.
Not going to lie, I am a little let down with how the car is running...I usually never get my hopes high any time I build a new combo, but this time around I was really gunning and hoping for 10's
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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What's so great about a 360 stroker is that it pulls from 2500 to 6500 rpms. Running a stroker with a stock block beyond 6500 is asking for a short engine life. Just look at NA dragsters. They are packing 700+ HP and their final drive with tire is about a 3.55 rear gear. They don't need to buzz the motor. They race all season long with the same set up and the motor lasts. Rational... you want to make all your pulling power with this stroker under 6400. Try a 1/2" to 1" carb plate. Well flowed 750 carb. 1 7/8 header and play with extensions. Get you total weight down to 2900lbs. Don't know what you have for heads but have the intake port matched to the heads. There is power to be made there. Food for thought. I recently completed a back up bracket motor. Purple stripe 590 cam and kit, port matched M1, 11:1 pistons and a 1.88 intake J head. How about one dyno pass 628 HP. There is more in a J head or the 596 with the 1.88 intake than most believe. Not knocking anybody who does heads but if you read the Mopar engineers reports on the 360 it does not like the 2.02 intake. That's why they choose the 1.88. Can you make more HP from big valve W5 Brodix or Indy head? Sure but think how cheap a J head is and the valve train parts etc.
your asking me to remove 600lbs out of my car? and trade in my ported aftermarket heads for ported 1.88 valve j heads? I appreciate the input, and I understand what you are getting at, but those are neither realistic or feasible options for me at this point.
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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I too am thinking that advancing the cam might not really give me much improvement, if any, at all....but its worth a try right?
Yes, try it, it will give you more punch on launch then you have now.
Then see where your at. IMO , Your going to be closer to your 10.9 then you are now.
After that, my next move for a easy performance increase would be to shave the heads .040 for increased comp. if you have the room P/V clearence wise and pushrod lengths. That should get you there.
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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I too am thinking that advancing the cam might not really give me much improvement, if any, at all....but its worth a try right?
Yes, try it, it will give you more punch on launch then you have now.
Then see where your at. IMO , Your going to be closer to your 10.9 then you are now.
After that, my next move for a easy performance increase would be to shave the heads .040 for increased comp. if you have the room P/V clearence wise and pushrod lengths. That should get you there.
Im going to do it, I have decided that already that is for sure...How much I am going to advance it though is still up in the air.
As for compression, this is a pump gas motor since it is a street car, otherwise I would be running a higher ratio for sure...Unfortunately there is no E-85 around here, but I have thought about adding a water/meth injection kit, although not sure if the extra weight of all that would offset the ability to run the higher compression ratios.
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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A few questions: 1. What is the rolling resistance like on flat level surface? Car SHOULD roll with minimal effort.
2. How long does it take your fuel pump to fill a gallon jug from carb side of regulator? Should take around 11 seconds for your combo preferably less. 2a. What diameter is your fuel line? 10 from tank to regulator 8 from regulator to carb.
3. What convertor are you using?
1. car rolls fine on flat ground...you can feel its a heavy bastid, but it rolls 2. I did a fuel pump test earlier in the season to make sure my pump delivers 140gph like its supposed to...it does...and yes, -10 from sump to pump, -8 to regs, -6 to carb 3. Converter is 8" A1 now around 53-5400 stall off the brake
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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I too am thinking that advancing the cam might not really give me much improvement, if any, at all....but its worth a try right?
Yes, try it, it will give you more punch on launch then you have now.
Im going to do it, I have decided that already that is for sure...How much I am going to advance it though is still up in the air.
Well dont just go 2* advance or so. That wont do much. IMO Id go a minimum of 4* advanced to 104, Minimum. Id probably go 102 ICL as a first test if it fits or there abouts. 101 , 103,
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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...... 'I want this thing to go 10.90's in the heat, and im thinking advancing the cam is the only thing left to get this pig of an a-body moving." 4.30's?
Yeah, it's got a smallblock.
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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I too am thinking that advancing the cam might not really give me much improvement, if any, at all....but its worth a try right?
Yes, try it, it will give you more punch on launch then you have now.
Im going to do it, I have decided that already that is for sure...How much I am going to advance it though is still up in the air.
Well dont just go 2* advance or so. That wont do much. IMO Id go a minimum of 4* advanced to 104, Minimum. Id probably go 102 ICL as a first test if it fits or there abouts. 101 , 103,
Yea, I was probably going to go 4 degree's...Just wasn't sure if I should go more...but I think 4 degrees should be a good indicator of whether or not advancing will help the combo overall.
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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...... 'I want this thing to go 10.90's in the heat, and im thinking advancing the cam is the only thing left to get this pig of an a-body moving."
4.30's?
I thought about a gear swap as I do want to put a spool in over the winter...But its a street car, and I liked having the 4.10's for when I do drive it on the highway (not often but it does happen)...But then again, this car is becoming more track oriented than anything else.
Would 4.30's even have a noticeable improvement though over 4.10's? Would it not just be better to try a 4.56 ratio instead?
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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...... 'I want this thing to go 10.90's in the heat, and im thinking advancing the cam is the only thing left to get this pig of an a-body moving."
4.30's?
I thought about a gear swap as I do want to put a spool in over the winter...But its a street car, and I liked having the 4.10's for when I do drive it on the highway (not often but it does happen)...But then again, this car is becoming more track oriented than anything else.
Would 4.30's even have a noticeable improvement though over 4.10's? Would it not just be better to try a 4.56 ratio instead?
You never dynoed this engine did you.. with any steeper gear your gonna up your trap rpm.... what do your heads flow at what lift... but RPMs are HP IF your set up can deliver (as in carb, intake, heads and headers.. have you ever pulled the exhaust yet to see the restriction
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Re: Another update on my 408- advance cam next?
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....Would 4.30's even have a noticeable improvement though over 4.10's? Would it not just be better to try a 4.56 ratio instead?
I wouldnt even consider a gear change for a test improvement. With your 4.10 gear and 28" tires , you can easily swap out and test different slick/tire sizes between 26" and 32" tires to simulate gear swaps.
A 3.91 gear with a 26" tire is more gear then a 4.56 gear and a 32" tire.
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