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Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1492584 09/09/13 10:55 PM 09/09/13 10:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada 67autocross super stock
67autocross super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada	Quote: Quote: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? None that I can see, that's comparing apples to oranges IMO. The Passon is a bolt in 5 speed with ZERO hacking required to install it (The Passon is all alone in this niche, there is no competition) plus the Passon uses the stock bell housing, clutch, drive shaft, shifter location, etc. For an original car I don't see that there are any other good choices. More like comparing apples to unicorns, one is a real transmission that has been around for years and the other is not in the hands of the public. Plus this is the corning section were most guys don't mind a bit of cutting or fender rolling. Not many here have big dollar original number matching cars that they are road racing. A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: 67autocross] #1492585 09/09/13 11:02 PM 09/09/13 11:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: More like comparing apples to unicorns, one is a real transmission that has been around for years and the other is not in the hands of the public. Plus this is the corning section were most guys don't mind a bit of cutting or fender rolling. Not many here have big dollar original number matching cars that they are road racing. So I guess a guy who road races AND enjoys original cars isn't welcome in your little club? Why then was a transmission that's "not yet in the hands of the public" even being asked about? If you want to compare transmissions why not compare products that have been around a while in racing? Why drag a Passon into it?

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: PHJ426] #1492586 09/09/13 11:17 PM 09/09/13 11:17 PM
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ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	Quote: If a car has a 5 speed installed does that make it "not original"? I do understand your point on the cutting the floor and trans/torsion bar mount cross member. There has to be a point where an all original car is 100% original things like Detroit Air in the spare and so on. My question should have probably been more specific like is it really necessary to have 6 speeds instead of 5 in a car that gets driven on the street to get to the track or high speed driving event .......not for a concourse show car. Necessary... no. Beneficial, yes. I run a Keisler TKO 5 speed (and like it). The choice of OD ratio was a compromise. The .82 or "close" ratio was an ideal top speed gear with my setup. The steeper .64 (from memory) was a better cruise gear for best economy and least noise and wear. I went with the .82. It cruises at 75 mph/2700 RPM. No problem. That said, the 496 would be happy cruising in the lower 2000's and get better mileage with less noise and wear. A six speed could do both.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: ahy] #1492587 09/09/13 11:24 PM 09/09/13 11:24 PM
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ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	I wonder how one of these would do in a handling application? Rated 1200 HP and shifts at the pull of a lever with no clutch. http://www.lencoracing.com/ST1200MasterPage.html

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1492588 09/09/13 11:44 PM 09/09/13 11:44 PM
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67autocross super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada	Quote: Quote: More like comparing apples to unicorns, one is a real transmission that has been around for years and the other is not in the hands of the public. Plus this is the corning section were most guys don't mind a bit of cutting or fender rolling. Not many here have big dollar original number matching cars that they are road racing. So I guess a guy who road races AND enjoys original cars isn't welcome in your little club? Why then was a transmission that's "not yet in the hands of the public" even being asked about? If you want to compare transmissions why not compare products that have been around a while in racing? Why drag a Passon into it? I never claimed to be the club welcoming committee, and I have no idea way someone would ask about a transmission that is not on the market, you would have to ask the guy who posted that question. I did not drag the Passon into anything, the original poster asked about it and you jumped in to tell us all the advantages it has, even though I can't buy one. A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: 67autocross] #1492589 09/10/13 12:08 AM 09/10/13 12:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: I did not drag the Passon into anything, the original poster asked about it and you jumped in to tell us all the advantages it has, even though I can't buy one. The Passon transmissions are currently being built, the way to buy one is to call him and get your name put on the waiting list as he has a good number of customers already in line, 300 or more from what I last heard. I got on the list way back when he first started it and based on recent phone calls I'll have mine very soon, I'll post pics when it arrives.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1492590 09/10/13 02:49 AM 09/10/13 02:49 AM
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PHJ426 OP master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Why would it not be relevant to compare a much hyped and anticipated 5 speed to a currently available 6 speed?

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1492591 09/10/13 03:02 AM 09/10/13 03:02 AM
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dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Quote: Quote: I did not drag the Passon into anything, the original poster asked about it and you jumped in to tell us all the advantages it has, even though I can't buy one. The Passon transmissions are currently being built, the way to buy one is to call him and get your name put on the waiting list as he has a good number of customers already in line, 300 or more from what I last heard. I got on the list way back when he first started it and based on recent phone calls I'll have mine very soon, I'll post pics when it arrives. curious, saw this a long time ago, I think they have said available soon for the past year or two, did they give you a set date yet? would like to see a few guys running them before i pull the plug

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: PHJ426] #1492592 09/10/13 08:31 AM 09/10/13 08:31 AM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Why would it not be relevant to compare a much hyped and anticipated 5 speed to a currently available 6 speed? How would you compare them if you can't test one of the two? Maybe we should wait till it's out there and see. I remember all the hype regard Shafti's no cut, no hassle 5 speed that was neither when it finally hit the market. I suspect Jaime saw that and the delays involved is due to him taking the time to get it right and not to make a quick buck, we will see. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: Supercuda] #1492593 09/10/13 12:06 PM 09/10/13 12:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: Quote: Why would it not be relevant to compare a much hyped and anticipated 5 speed to a currently available 6 speed? How would you compare them if you can't test one of the two? Maybe we should wait till it's out there and see. I remember all the hype regard Shafti's no cut, no hassle 5 speed that was neither when it finally hit the market. I suspect Jaime saw that and the delays involved is due to him taking the time to get it right and not to make a quick buck, we will see. But to be perfectly clear, I could make a long list of things others have done that Jamie has not, and near the top of that list would be "hype". And I we agree 100%, we will see. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: jcc] #1492594 09/10/13 02:14 PM 09/10/13 02:14 PM
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PHJ426 OP master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Hyped. As in to stimulate or excite. Yes the Passion 5 speed is going to be a great product. Jamie's reputation stands on it's own and he never rests on his laurels. This is what I really enjoy about the internet and Moparts. Every english teacher that is out of work is feverishly banging away on some board critiquing the word usage or correcting typographical errors......who really gives a rats behind.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: PHJ426] #1492595 09/10/13 06:04 PM 09/10/13 06:04 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Hyped. As in to stimulate or excite. Yes the Passion 5 speed is going to be a great product. Jamie's reputation stands on it's own and he never rests on his laurels. This is what I really enjoy about the internet and Moparts. Every english teacher that is out of work is feverishly banging away on some board critiquing the word usage or correcting typographical errors......who really gives a rats behind. The hype, such as it is, isn't coming from Jaime, but rather those of us who know what he expects from things he puts his name on. If he's going to build something it will be right and if it takes longer than we want so be it. I think he's made it clear that it will be released when he's satisfied it's right. those who have an issue with the time involved can go buy a Kiesler and get it now, then later you can scrap it and get Jaime's product that is done right. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: Supercuda] #1492596 09/10/13 06:45 PM 09/10/13 06:45 PM
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PHJ426 OP master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	I went back to Jamie's Post about the new 5 speed in the New Products forum here on Moparts. His post is dated December 01 of 2010. This is a direct quote "Well, We are progressing well. The unit will be known as the A-855 5 Speed. We will be debuting the unit at the PRI show next week in Orlando. We are located at Booth 1112. " Last I checked today is September 10, 2013. Almost a 3 year lead in time from announcement to actual product hitting the streets. Granted this thread has played out on its own and we do not need to beat on this horse here as well......... The point is Jamie announced the 5 speed December 2010 nobody forced him to do it. So technically he started the fire and the customer base fanned the flames to keep it burning. So to further modify the question...... When the Passion 5 speed is available will there still be a reason to buy a 6 speed T56 or other variant for an old Mopar handling/street car?

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: PHJ426] #1492597 09/10/13 06:52 PM 09/10/13 06:52 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: When the Passion 5 speed is available will there still be a reason to buy a 6 speed T56 or other variant for an old Mopar handling/street car? I am sure there will be a reason for someone. You got people who's sole opinion of the "best" is how much it cost. Or it is what everyone is running, double hump heads anyone? Corvette engine? Donks? I can't see a need for double over drive that most/all 6 speeds have, but what do I know. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: Supercuda] #1492598 09/10/13 08:27 PM 09/10/13 08:27 PM
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72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	People that would spend 4-5k on a Keisler or equivalent will be all over Jamie's trans. I'm just not one of those people. T56's have there place and so does a true bolt in 5 spd. I always wanted gearing that would allow my car to run like a SS car at the strip and cruise down the interstate at 2000 rpm at 80 mph. I have that now. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: PHJ426] #1492599 09/10/13 09:26 PM 09/10/13 09:26 PM
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DoctorDiff master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT	I don't understand your point. Passon did debut the prototype at the PRI show in 2010. Contact info

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: DoctorDiff] #1492600 09/10/13 09:49 PM 09/10/13 09:49 PM
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PHJ426 OP master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Quote: I don't understand your point. Passon did debut the prototype at the PRI show in 2010. The original question is and always was what is better a new Passion 5 speed or a T56 6 speed in a real street car/track car. Certain contributors to this thread kept on saying the Passion 5 speed is not available....yada yada yada. Yes the Passion 5 speed was at the show in 2010, but its really not readily available. All of this is just an aside to the deal of the real question what is better Passion 5 speed or T56 6 speed in a real street car.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: PHJ426] #1492601 09/10/13 10:31 PM 09/10/13 10:31 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: Hyped. As in to stimulate or excite. ....................... This is what I really enjoy about the internet and Moparts. Every english teacher that is out of work is feverishly banging away on some board critiquing the word usage or correcting typographical errors......who really gives a rats behind. Maybe when Jamie showed me the 5 spd at PRI I should have asked him to be more modest in its display, as I admit, I did feel a little stimulated, as you define "hype". Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: jcc] #1492602 09/11/13 12:06 PM 09/11/13 12:06 PM
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Mopar Mitch pro stock Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,442 NW Chicago suburban area	From a "competition" point of view, I'd be interested to know which tranny is the lightest... Passon 4spd od, 5spd, Kslr 5spd, or 6spd? Too much shifting may not be the best advantage... drive the car without having to worry about shifting... road course racing can allow some time to shift, but pylon autocrossing doesn't favor time to shift up/down... too much lost time and upsetting the car's balance while manuevering through the cones... fractions of seconds add up quickly. Mopar Mitch "Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers! Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!

Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed? [Re: Mopar Mitch] #1492603 09/11/13 01:28 PM 09/11/13 01:28 PM
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