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Drive shaft removal - need some help #1492341 08/29/13 11:54 AM 08/29/13 11:54 AM
Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD R rkh17 OP member
rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	I need to pull my transmisison for some refurb work and starting to look at how to disconnect my drive shaft. Car is a 1974 Dodge Challenger and the trans is an A833. Looks like the rear end side of the shaft is pretty straight forward. Just the four bolts. Transmission side of the shaft doesn't have the same bolts so I'm assuming it's some type of clip inside. Any special tools to help get the job done? I have a lift and high jack stand, high trans jack already. Pics attached. Thanks for your assistance in advance. -Rob 7831922-trans1.JPG (450 downloads) RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492342 08/29/13 11:56 AM 08/29/13 11:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	Just unbolt the straps at the back, and slide the entire thing out of the transmission...no need to unhook anything up front. (Once you unbolt the back you will see the front is a slip joint and will just slide out towards the back) To remove the driveshaft itself from the front yoke, you remove the little ujoint clips and press it apart.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492343 08/29/13 11:57 AM 08/29/13 11:57 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado Leadfoot master
Leadfoot master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado	The whole assembly should slide right out of the transmission.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492344 08/29/13 11:57 AM 08/29/13 11:57 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 17,092 Brookline NH Tesla_HV I Live Here
Tesla_HV I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 17,092 Brookline NH	Drop the back and the front slides right out on a spline. Have a container handy in case the trans fluid comes out the open end.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: Tesla_HV] #1492345 08/29/13 12:10 PM 08/29/13 12:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 632 Casco, MI Savoy1964 mopar
Savoy1964 mopar Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 632 Casco, MI	Put tape around u-joint caps on rear so they dint fall off after you unbolt joint. 2003 Dodge 3500 Diesel 1964 Plymouth Savoy White 2dr sdn. 512 stroked, Dominator, New Best 9.75 @ 138.50mph 2019 Challenger Scat Pack 1320 White Knuckle-K&N Cold air filter, Billit Oil catch can, drag radials stock 11.911 @ 114mph

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: OzHemi] #1492346 08/29/13 12:29 PM 08/29/13 12:29 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 96,666 On The Boat, On The Lake, Wa. ... amxautox Still Retired. Still Posting on Moparts. A Lot.
amxautox Still Retired. Still Posting on Moparts. A Lot. Joined: May 2003 Posts: 96,666 On The Boat, On The Lake, Wa. ...	hacksaw the shaft in two in the middle, then have it welded back together. Or a new one made. Or do what Oz said. Tom "Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing." -Henry David Thoreau Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths author unknown

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492347 08/29/13 12:53 PM 08/29/13 12:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	I don't know, 74 challenger is a pretty special car and might be different than the rest?

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: Challenger 1] #1492348 08/29/13 01:53 PM 08/29/13 01:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	Brutal thursday at times.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: buildanother] #1492349 08/29/13 02:11 PM 08/29/13 02:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas	Are you sure of the procedure used in removing the trans? It's a lot more complcated then pulling a driveshaft.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: stumpy] #1492350 08/29/13 02:19 PM 08/29/13 02:19 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,371 Iowa burdar Owen's Dad
burdar Owen's Dad Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,371 Iowa	We all have to start somewhere. The most important thing is to make sure the car is supported properly. It's hard to pull the driveshaft with the car on top of you. Be safe!

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: stumpy] #1492351 08/29/13 02:21 PM 08/29/13 02:21 PM
Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD R rkh17 OP member
rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Quote: Are you sure of the procedure used in removing the trans? It's a lot more complcated then pulling a driveshaft. lol, thanks for all the suggestions. I wasn't sure if it slipped out or not. First time for me so yeah you're all popping my cherry and busting my ass. Fun as all heck getting dirty though. As for the trans.. it's my first one as well.. Looks like the trans cross member has to come off and just 4 bolts on the trans.. That slides out too right? All the little things too like removing the speedo cable and the shift handle, linkage as required, draining the fluid.. Thanks for the quick responses.. This thing has to be out by Friday night. -R RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492352 08/29/13 02:53 PM 08/29/13 02:53 PM
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MOPARMIKE69 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,637 Nashville, TN	Quote: Quote: Are you sure of the procedure used in removing the trans? It's a lot more complcated then pulling a driveshaft. lol, thanks for all the suggestions. I wasn't sure if it slipped out or not. First time for me so yeah you're all popping my cherry and busting my ass. Fun as all heck getting dirty though. As for the trans.. it's my first one as well.. Looks like the trans cross member has to come off and just 4 bolts on the trans.. That slides out too right? All the little things too like removing the speedo cable and the shift handle, linkage as required, draining the fluid.. Thanks for the quick responses.. This thing has to be out by Friday night. -R You MUST support the engine before pulling the transmission. 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: burdar] #1492353 08/29/13 03:21 PM 08/29/13 03:21 PM
Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD R rkh17 OP member
rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Quote: We all have to start somewhere. The most important thing is to make sure the car is supported properly. It's hard to pull the driveshaft with the car on top of you. Be safe! Car is on a bendpak HD-9 lift, parking break set, wheels double chocked. As for supporting the engine, should I be using a high jack stand under that or perhaps my engine hoist from the top? All are available options. Thanks, -R RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1492354 08/29/13 09:24 PM 08/29/13 09:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,898 Florida Locomotion master
Locomotion master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,898 Florida	Quote: As for the trans.. it's my first one as well.. Looks like the trans cross member has to come off and just 4 bolts on the trans.. That slides out too right? All the little things too like removing the speedo cable and the shift handle, linkage as required, draining the fluid.. Thanks for the quick responses.. This thing has to be out by Friday night. -R Make sure you unbolt the converter from the flexplate and spray paint the flexplate ear and corresponding area of the converter so it goes back together the same. One ear has an offset and will only line up one way. Don't forget the starter, trans cooler lines, neutral safety switch wires, speedometer cable and linkages. Dipstick tube should be removed when you remove the bolt holding it to the bellhousing. It is a press-fit with O-ring at the trans end. It actually is possible to unbolt just the crossmember and bellhousing (with the misc. stuff)and "slide" the trans out of the converter. But you risk binding or bending the converter input shafts that way. You'd never get it back together that way either. Had to mention that since this is your first trans removal. Oh...and disconnect the battery before removing the wires from the starter. When removing the trans, watch the distributor so it doesn't crack against the firewall and that the fan doesn't damage the radiator or shroud as the engine tilts back. I like to use a plywood square between a big floor jack pad and the trans pan. That should cover it! Last edited by Locomotion; 08/29/13 09:29 PM.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: Locomotion] #1492355 08/29/13 10:19 PM 08/29/13 10:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas	Loco ,he said 4 bolts holding it in so I would think stick rather than auto. If it is a stick be ready to pull it all the way out at one time so you clear the clutch assembly. You can rest the nose of the shaft on the bell housing lip if necessary. Be prepared to lift a heavy weight. That trans is not light and if you have one or can rent one get a trans jack for either stick or auto. I have R&Rd both on my back in the driveway but I was young and strong back then.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: stumpy] #1492356 08/29/13 10:46 PM 08/29/13 10:46 PM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Quote: Loco ,he said 4 bolts holding it in so I would think stick rather than auto. If it is a stick be ready to pull it all the way out at one time so you clear the clutch assembly. You can rest the nose of the shaft on the bell housing lip if necessary. Be prepared to lift a heavy weight. That trans is not light and if you have one or can rent one get a trans jack for either stick or auto. I have R&Rd both on my back in the driveway but I was young and strong back then. It's a manual trans. Thanks for the tips here. I have a transmission jack for sure. No way I'd try this without one. RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492357 08/29/13 10:50 PM 08/29/13 10:50 PM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Progress - drive shaft is out. Was pretty simple with the tips for working it out. unbolted the rear and dropped it and the other end slipped right out.. Had the oil catch set up and ready for the drips... 7832756-driveshaft1.JPG (414 downloads) RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492358 08/29/13 10:51 PM 08/29/13 10:51 PM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Looks like a touch of surface rust near the end. Worth cleaning that up while I wait for my transmission work to be completed? 7832758-Driveshaft2.JPG (356 downloads) RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492359 08/29/13 11:19 PM 08/29/13 11:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas	Wouldn't hurt.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492360 08/29/13 11:32 PM 08/29/13 11:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,119 85086 moparpollack Lil Herman
moparpollack Lil Herman Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,119 85086	Get a pogo stick to hold the engine up while you remove the transmission. 56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: moparpollack] #1492361 08/30/13 12:00 AM 08/30/13 12:00 AM
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rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	I've never supported the engine when pulling a 833 4 speed. Remove the trans mount nut, then Just jack the trans up enough to remove the cross member bolts and cross member, then lower the trans till it stops, then remove the shifter, linkage and 3 of the trans bolts. Get your trans jack in place and remove the last bolt. Now If you have some help it would be nice as the trans does not set well on transmission jacks. The 833 weighs in close to 150 pounds so be carefull. The trans will slide right out , some times very quickly. I don't know why your doing this but there are a few other things you should do while you have the trans out. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: moparpollack] #1492362 08/30/13 12:31 AM 08/30/13 12:31 AM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Quote: Get a pogo stick to hold the engine up while you remove the transmission. What place would you make contact with the engine? I have a high tripod stand with a 3 x 3" pad on it.. RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492363 08/30/13 01:10 AM 08/30/13 01:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas	Oil pan. All you are trying to do is keep the back of the motor from dropping very far. That saves wear and tear on the motor mounts. If it's a small block it keeps the distributer from hitting the firewall and keeps the fan from hitting the shroud or radiator. It's just a better safe than sorry thing.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: stumpy] #1492364 08/30/13 10:01 AM 08/30/13 10:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,091 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,091 Niles , Ohio	I always use about a 6 inch long 2x4 on the support.It spreads the weight on the oil pan.Ive never supported the motor either and been pulling trannys since the 60s.It is a good idea though with old motor mounts.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: moparpollack] #1492365 08/30/13 10:06 AM 08/30/13 10:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,091 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,091 Niles , Ohio	Stumpy Im like you I used to lay the trans from the 65 on my chest and put it in and take it out.That was many years ago.Now I have 3 grown sons that I get to help.It takes some time to get them to do it but man is it easy.I always hated the drain plug digging into my chest.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: therocks] #1492366 08/30/13 11:19 AM 08/30/13 11:19 AM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Stumpy Im like you I used to lay the trans from the 65 on my chest and put it in and take it out.That was many years ago.Now I have 3 grown sons that I get to help.It takes some time to get them to do it but man is it easy.I always hated the drain plug digging into my chest.Rocky I did the trans thing on my chest many times when I was young. Didn't even know that a trans jack existed back then.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: Challenger 1] #1492367 08/30/13 11:42 AM 08/30/13 11:42 AM
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B5 Bee master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,020 Pangaea	My first car (and only non-Mopar) was a 67 GTO 4spd. It was no big deal when I pulled the Munchie trans to change the clutch. My next was a 72 340 Duster 4spd. I had a big surprise when I pulled the trans out and it dropped on my chest, thought I would never get out from under the car.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492368 08/30/13 12:08 PM 08/30/13 12:08 PM
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rustbuckett68 mopar R Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 657 Alberta	If you could find two long bolts with the same thread as the trans bolts, cut the heads off and thread into the bellhousing. Makes it easier to slide out, and way easier to slide in when reassembling.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: therocks] #1492369 08/30/13 06:36 PM 08/30/13 06:36 PM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	It's out... Thanks for everyone's help... Special thanks to Scott Ragsdale who was nice enough to stop by and make sure I didn't drop the thing on my toe... Last edited by rkh17; 08/30/13 06:43 PM. RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492370 08/30/13 06:40 PM 08/30/13 06:40 PM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	The End... 7833594-transout.JPG (79 downloads) Last edited by rkh17; 08/30/13 06:41 PM. RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492371 08/30/13 06:42 PM 08/30/13 06:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33,006 Grand Prairie,Texas	It doesn't end until it's all back together and working correctly.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: stumpy] #1492372 08/30/13 06:46 PM 08/30/13 06:46 PM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Yeah no kidding.. but that's another thread... One thing I did notice was that there were two different sized bolts holding the trans in.. I suspect this isn't by design.. More signs somebody just threw this thing together.. Happy to be cleaning it all up. Pulled out the throwout bearing so will replace that.. Got some other good tips on what to poke around with while it's out.. -R Last edited by rkh17; 08/30/13 06:48 PM. RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: stumpy] #1492373 07/28/14 11:13 PM 07/28/14 11:13 PM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Quote: It doesn't end until it's all back together and working correctly. Just had to post that the 833 is back in the car without much in the way of issues. Car runs great, shifts great.. nothing but "miles of smiles" Also ended up replacing all the clutch fork linkage, Z-bar, and clutch pedal linkage, all cobbed up from a B Body... even found cable ties in strategic places. Passons did a great job with the trans and thanks to Brewers for help with the linkage. Special thanks to Steve aka rowin4 for all his advice as well. It's folks like Steve that make these sites a great resource. -R Last edited by rkh17; 07/28/14 11:17 PM. RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492374 07/29/14 12:55 AM 07/29/14 12:55 AM
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Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	While you had it down that far why didnt you change out the clutch and pressure plate too. It seems you replaced everything else. Glad the job as is, went smooth for you.

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: Sport440] #1492375 07/30/14 12:11 AM 07/30/14 12:11 AM
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rkh17 OP member R Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 36 MD	Quote: While you had it down that far why didnt you change out the clutch and pressure plate too. It seems you replaced everything else. Glad the job as is, went smooth for you. I did! Entire new clutch disc assembly, resurfaced the flywheel... RobH -- 72 Plymouth Duster 360 73 Dodge Charger SE 318 74 Dodge Challenger 340-4 74 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Drive shaft removal - need some help [Re: rkh17] #1492376 07/30/14 02:11 PM 07/30/14 02:11 PM
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p d'ro pro stock Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,584 MD	Great job. You have motivated me to try it on my '70 Bronco. Where are you in MD??

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