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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: ProSport] #1488723
08/22/13 11:55 PM
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I'm leaning towards the high strength 440Source, I don't really want to go with a fluid type damper.




Just curious - Why don't you want to run a fluid style damper?


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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: tobnHisglory] #1488724
08/23/13 07:21 AM
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I'm leaning towards the high strength 440Source, I don't really want to go with a fluid type damper.




Just curious - Why don't you want to run a fluid style damper?




Lots of people use them with no problems, I've just heard too many bad stories over the years and I've seen too many broken motors with a Fluidampr on the front of it.
For what I'm using my motor for, I'd probably be ok with any kind of damper, just trying to weed out the bad ones such as the BHJ that was mentioned to be junk.

I do like the fact that the 440Source fluid damper is SFI certified in case I were to hit the track sometime down the road when the rearend and suspension are upgraded, way down the road.


http://store.440source.com/Fluid-damper-SFI-Certified-Chrome-New/productinfo/200-1023/


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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: sixpackgut] #1488725
08/23/13 07:39 AM
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mine has a CAT fluid style for 10 years now




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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: Den300] #1488726
08/23/13 08:06 AM
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i used the Source Fluid Damper for a few years, thought it was good but my engine had issues with bolts coming loose all the time. an engine builder down here told me it'll be because of my fluid damper. so when money became available i bought a ATI Superdamper. surprisingly i don't have a loose nut n bolt problem anymore. also the Fluid damper was tight as hell to get on & off & yet on the crank snout under the damper i had fret marks. i had the crank polished & these marks removed. 4 seasons later when i stripped the motor for a freshen up, there were no marks under the ATI damper. i'm a firm believer in quality dampers now, nothing but ATI from now on.

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: ProSport] #1488727
08/23/13 10:53 AM
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run a stock one.

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: J_BODY] #1488728
08/23/13 11:01 AM
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run a stock one.





I agree if this IS a street motor save the money and use a stock one

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: J_BODY] #1488729
08/23/13 02:42 PM
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Isn't the elastomer usually dry rotted on a stock one?

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: ProSport] #1488730
08/23/13 05:35 PM
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Get a Pioneer or Powerbond for what you are doing and be done with it and have some peace of mind.


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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1488731
08/23/13 05:40 PM
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... Pioneer or Powerbond...



x2; The SFI-approved versions from either are both manufactured by Powerbond, IIRC.

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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: BradH] #1488732
08/23/13 05:46 PM
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I have a used Fluidampr that I'm using, probably junk.


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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: 72Swinger] #1488733
08/23/13 06:00 PM
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Professional Products here great bang for the buck

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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1488734
08/23/13 06:08 PM
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Get a Pioneer or Powerbond for what you are doing and be done with it and have some peace of mind.




You mean Powerforce?

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: ProSport] #1488735
08/23/13 06:43 PM
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No, Powerbond is a different company. Powerforce is a Proffessional Products like Rickster mentions.


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Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: ProSport] #1488736
08/23/13 06:59 PM
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Isn't the elastomer usually dry rotted on a stock one?




Theres still some out there in great shape. The one off my old 440 is in super shape, so its keeper.

You would need to find one off of a nuetral balanced motor though, 71 and before. So that might be a tough one to find, probably easier to just buy new.

But if you found a good one, I wouldnt hesitate to use it for what your doing.

Last edited by Sport440; 08/23/13 07:00 PM.
Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: ProSport] #1488737
08/23/13 09:28 PM
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I'd be curious to what brand balancer the people use that complain about loose torque converter bolts. Always seem to be some people have trouble with flex plates and loose converter bolts.
maybe

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1488738
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No, Powerbond is a different company. Powerforce is a Proffessional Products like Rickster mentions.




Ok thanks I'll look them up.

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: nss guy] #1488739
08/23/13 10:10 PM
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I'd be curious to what brand balancer the people use that complain about loose torque converter bolts. Always seem to be some people have trouble with flex plates and loose converter bolts.
maybe




That is a very good point Jim. I've pitted next to guys that have to retorque their converter bolts after every pass.

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: ProSport] #1488740
08/25/13 01:43 AM
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I've seen a number of Professional Products dampers fail. Pioneer gets my vote for an economical damper.

Last edited by skrews; 08/25/13 01:44 AM.
Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: skrews] #1488741
08/25/13 11:53 AM
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I've seen a number of Professional Products dampers fail. Pioneer gets my vote for an economical damper.



Same here. I know of a Moparts member's Professional Products that failed during dyno testing and have heard from a friend of one that was sh!t-canned by a machine shop when they found it was the source of their being unable to get a particular rotating assembly to balance properly.

Re: Affordable harmonic balancers [Re: BradH] #1488742
08/25/13 02:00 PM
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Ok so I'm gonna pass on Professional Products and KMJ. I think I'm gonna go with the $90 440source with the high strength steel and enclosed elastomer.

Last edited by ProSport; 08/26/13 09:53 PM.

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