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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: 383man]
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07/30/13 01:58 PM
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: roadhazard]
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07/30/13 03:56 PM
07/30/13 03:56 PM
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I prefer to bypass mine as close to the carb as possible. Use short feed lines to the carb so the fuel does not have time to heat up before it gets to the bowls.
I can put my hand in the fuel cell and feel the warm fuel out the return. Sometimes, depending on the conditions the outside of my carb actually sweats from the combination of a hot motor and cool fuel
I prefer to do the same on the return line(keep it close to the carb)... when we first started injection we returned from the front then a few years later we changed to a return at the pump.. reason was cost.. we cut cost with no return line... but with higher fuel pressures you dont run into vapor lock
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: Quicktree]
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07/30/13 08:24 PM
07/30/13 08:24 PM
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I know its not this fuel pump as it did not loose fuel pressure when it happened and the orange box works fine as it did not loose spark either and never has with that orange box. I agree MSD is better but that box has been on our cars since 2000 and never had a problem. I put the plastic filter on early this summer to see what was going on when it did die 3 times and that was a loss of fuel pressure so I ended up replacing that pump early this summer with the Holley red pump I had to see how it worked and it never had a fuel problem again. It was a Firecore pump that cut out early this summer and we are taking care of that. But I wanted to go to the track so I threw a Holley Black pump on with the external reg. Like I said it did not loose fuel pressure yesterday or at all with this pump on it. This is only the first time this has happened this summer. But last summer I had the fuel boiling happen twice. Since then I added the heat shield and a new phenolic spacer which I did at the end of last summer. Thats one of the annoying things is it dont happen all the time as I thought the heat shield helped but yesterday showed me it really did not. Ron
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: 383man]
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07/30/13 09:31 PM
07/30/13 09:31 PM
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I know its not this fuel pump as it did not loose fuel pressure when it happened and the orange box works fine as it did not loose spark either and never has with that orange box. I agree MSD is better but that box has been on our cars since 2000 and never had a problem. I put the plastic filter on early this summer to see what was going on when it did die 3 times and that was a loss of fuel pressure so I ended up replacing that pump early this summer with the Holley red pump I had to see how it worked and it never had a fuel problem again. It was a Firecore pump that cut out early this summer and we are taking care of that. But I wanted to go to the track so I threw a Holley Black pump on with the external reg. Like I said it did not loose fuel pressure yesterday or at all with this pump on it. This is only the first time this has happened this summer. But last summer I had the fuel boiling happen twice. Since then I added the heat shield and a new phenolic spacer which I did at the end of last summer. Thats one of the annoying things is it dont happen all the time as I thought the heat shield helped but yesterday showed me it really did not. Ron
It is hard to imagine it getting that hot that the fuel boils at the carb, but you seem like a very sharp guy that has a handle on it. Hard to believe the top of that inner fender gets that hot as has been suggested. Perhaps try a temp gum to check out your underhood temps in various places underhood ?
Btw, nice sanitary work under the hood, what gears do you run ?
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
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07/30/13 09:36 PM
07/30/13 09:36 PM
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383man
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I know its not this fuel pump as it did not loose fuel pressure when it happened and the orange box works fine as it did not loose spark either and never has with that orange box. I agree MSD is better but that box has been on our cars since 2000 and never had a problem. I put the plastic filter on early this summer to see what was going on when it did die 3 times and that was a loss of fuel pressure so I ended up replacing that pump early this summer with the Holley red pump I had to see how it worked and it never had a fuel problem again. It was a Firecore pump that cut out early this summer and we are taking care of that. But I wanted to go to the track so I threw a Holley Black pump on with the external reg. Like I said it did not loose fuel pressure yesterday or at all with this pump on it. This is only the first time this has happened this summer. But last summer I had the fuel boiling happen twice. Since then I added the heat shield and a new phenolic spacer which I did at the end of last summer. Thats one of the annoying things is it dont happen all the time as I thought the heat shield helped but yesterday showed me it really did not. Ron
It is hard to imagine it getting that hot that the fuel boils at the carb, but you seem like a very sharp guy that has a handle on it. Hard to believe the top of that inner fender gets that hot as has been suggested. Perhaps try a temp gum to check out your underhood temps in various places underhood ?
Btw, nice sanitary work under the hood, what gears do you run ?
Thank you. Sometimes I cant believe how hot the carb feels when the eng is only at 180 to 185. I plan to make about a 20 mile one way run to a cruise spot this weekend and I will have everything ready if it acts up to check it out real close. A temp gun is a good idea and I want to get one anyway. Gears are 4.30's with a 30 x 9 rear tire. At 55 to 60 I run about 3200 RPM. Ron
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Re: More pump gas trouble !
[Re: 383man]
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07/30/13 11:25 PM
07/30/13 11:25 PM
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Ron, Had the exact same problem on a 65 Satellite big block. Installed a 3/16 vapor return line with approx.060" orifice restriction from thefuel pressure regulator guage port to the fill tube in the rear.Carter electric pump,no mech pump,dual quads then later a 950 Holley.Never ever had the problem again.This info comes from an article many years ago by Richard Ehrenberg in Mopar Action.
62 Dodge Dart Wagon
65 Plymouth Satellite
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