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Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1475540
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I talked to Hoosier about balancing my 33x10.5x16 tires on 16x16 dbl beadloc rims and they told me dont bother and I run between 158-163 mph with no problems.

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1475541
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I am with Mr P, Oldtimer and a few others and balance mine with a old bubble balancer from a service station, I tried running a set not balanced once and the car hopped all over the track, took them off and balanced them and hopping went away,,I will never run them un-balanced again, mine are also screwed and with tubes.


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Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: dvw] #1475542
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I didn't balance a set of slicks once. Drove 85 miles to the track, made one bouncy pass. Drove home and THEN balanced the slicks. I figure that balance job cost me an easy $120, a wasted day, and a day not racing. This was the gamble for a $15 balance job. I'm not willing to gamble that way any more.

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Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: SportF] #1475543
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I run 14x32's with tubes and screws and it has NEVER occurred to me to not to balance. Some have taken a lot of weight. Don't want any problems at 140.


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Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: Barnstorm] #1475544
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In all my years of racing I tried back to back sets without bubble balancing them and will never do it again. I honestly didn't feel anything going down the track but even though I lock tite about every bolt on my race car I had bolts getting loose that never did before and have not again since I went back to balancing them.


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Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1475545
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I have done both on my car.. Nothing changes.. waste of time and money for me.

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: VernMotor] #1475546
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Guys...I'm no expert..but I think after one burnout if you took the wheel off it would be out of balance again..just my thoughts...


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Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: Eric] #1475547
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Guys...I'm no expert..but I think after one burnout if you took the wheel off it would be out of balance again..just my thoughts...




Another statement made to me by Hoosier. Actually they said the tires "true-up" after each burn-out.

But ultimately you need to feel comfortable going down the track.

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: Eric] #1475548
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Guys...I'm no expert..but I think after one burnout if you took the wheel off it would be out of balance again..just my thoughts...




If you burn the rubber off all the way around it should
still be in balance... if it were to bounce in the
burnout it would burn the rubber off at different areas
more than other areas... thats when I use to see the
most irregular wear on my tires when I didnt balance
and that got progressively worse with each burnout...
I balance but you guys can do what ever works for you..
I dont say my way is the right way... but I see the
pros doing it all the time and it works for them

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: dvw] #1475549
07/29/13 06:18 PM
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I have run over 25 pair of 16X32" slicks unbalanced mounted by yours truly on beadlock wheels to 265 MPH with no trouble.

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: Challenger 1] #1475550
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Well this is what I'm going to do. I have a bubble balancer. I balanced them and the tires must have moved. They can't shake any worse than they were with the weights 180 degrees off. I'll run it this weekend unbalanced and report back. I really don't want to drill my Vintage American 200S wheels.
Doug

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1475551
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If you think about how a drag slick grow and flex, I believe it s wasted time and money




Thats my opinion also...mine are screwed and I stopped balancing them years ago. If you really want to keep the weights on smooth some RTV over them and they will stay.







I've never had a problem with the stick on weights and
putting Duct tape over them... thats what I see the
pros do so its good enough for my junk





Exactly what I do. With Slicks, I screwed them in. But now that I run Drag Radials, I glue them.

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1475552
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This is good thread. It is interesting how many need balance with tubes or not. I have felt a vibration in the burnout. That is bothersome but did not have a problem down the strip. Ive run tubless no screws and tubed and screwed.

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: dvw] #1475553
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Screwed, balanced, silver aluminum duct tape ,over weights...(not the plastic one, its used for hvac work ...) been balancing for years...140 mph

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: joes68340s] #1475554
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This is good thread. It is interesting how many need balance with tubes or not. I have felt a vibration in the burnout. That is bothersome but did not have a problem down the strip. Ive run tubless no screws and tubed and screwed.




I run tubes in my tires.. they give me a longer side
wall life.... plus they dont leak down like a non
tubed tire(even with soap).... with the weight of
the tubes and the tire you can get some really out
of balanced tires

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: joes68340s] #1475555
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This is good thread. It is interesting how many need balance with tubes or not. I have felt a vibration in the burnout. That is bothersome but did not have a problem down the strip. Ive run tubless no screws and tubed and screwed.



In the water box the tires have the ability to be at the same speed for some time, thus it would be like going at 50 70 mph on a highway,thus they can bounce.Note that is the most area where tires will bounce off balance if the speed is very gradual or steady.
On track you have a constant load, and you are traveling up the speed equasion ,so they do not have the ability to reach a speed and stay there,
But in a water box you tend to go at a certain level and stay and note there is not much load on the tire

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: dennismopar73] #1475556
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Ran tubes and screws and never balanced slicks, and never an issue with many, many sets.


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Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: dvw] #1475557
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Well this is what I'm going to do. I have a bubble balancer. I balanced them and the tires must have moved. They can't shake any worse than they were with the weights 180 degrees off. I'll run it this weekend unbalanced and report back. I really don't want to drill my Vintage American 200S wheels.
Doug




Doug,

M/T tires will be in Bowling Green this weekend. Worse comes to worse they can balance them for you there.
Also, we balance ours.
Casey

Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: dvw] #1475558
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I have done it both ways. never felt any difference. so do what ever you fill safe with. but if a car got sideways with out the slicks having screws could the tire come off the bead that would been one of my fears


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Re: Who runs slicks W/O balancing? [Re: WHITEDART] #1475559
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Trust me you don't get much more sideways or close to being on 2 wheels than I was last week. No issues with the beads coming off.
Doug

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