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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/26/13 11:19 AM
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hi all
as far as my original question, I would think the same would apply from B to E body.
to be exact it is a 70 e-body with a 440 and a 2998960 radiator, with a #224 fan + a 1.6" spacer.
let me ask this question, is there anywhere on a buildsheet that has a box or place to list if the vehicle would use a shroud?
thanks again
tony
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/26/13 12:11 PM
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Soooo...
No on the BS callout
Yes on the 22" rad in this application
Yes on the shroud in this application.
...that about cover it?
Dave
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/26/13 12:57 PM
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Soooo...
No on the BS callout
Yes on the 22" rad in this application
Yes on the shroud in this application.
...that about cover it?
Dave
YES 
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
[Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO]
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07/26/13 01:03 PM
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so, with no callout on the BS, then how do you know which B+E body 383-440 22" radiator applications cars use the shroud?
With the exception of a few "typos" on the FSM Barracuda page posted above .....
HP engine'd e-bodies w/22" radiators received a shroud.
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/26/13 01:57 PM
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HP engine'd e-bodies w/22" radiators received a shroud.
Is this regardless of SPD's and LA vs.Hamtramck and Exports ?
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/26/13 02:09 PM
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ALL B and E Body cars with any 22" rad. will have a shroud on the rad. I have three 70 22" rad cars(including a 440+6 car and a 383+2 car) and two 71 22" rad cars which all come with shrouds. Bob from Glen Ray should chime in and clear all this up.
The Charger/Coronet/Belvedere/Fury version of the Barracuda FSM section 7-11 Specs. posted above all show the same info (although the "960" radiator is listed correctly as a 22" radiator under 440).
383 2bbl without A/C received the 22" radiator & no shroud.
& any non-HP 383 4-bbl without A/C received the 22" radiator & no shroud.
The non-HP 383 4bbl (330hp) is the blue painted Carter AVS carb'd engines available in Satellite/Coronet 500/Gran Coupe/Challenger SE/Sport Fury/etc.
Dwight, what evidence do you have that the above mentioned non-HP cars would/should receive a fan shroud?
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/26/13 02:17 PM
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ALL B and E Body cars with any 22" rad. will have a shroud on the rad.
Contrary to the above LP engines as well ??
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/26/13 02:26 PM
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HP engine'd e-bodies w/22" radiators received a shroud.
Is this regardless of SPD's and LA vs.Hamtramck and Exports ?
Yes, the FSM shows no deviation based on where the car was assembled or where it was shipped to.
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
[Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO]
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07/27/13 02:26 AM
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I'll have to check the build sheet on our 70 challenger and see what it says for the shroud section. I would imagine that this is an early built car as well? I can't see why they wouldn't have listed it on the build sheet as they list a choke number on the build sheet and other smaller detailed stuff on there also.
Maybe Lynn can chime in with info pertaining to what is on the build sheet or what came on early promo cars?
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
[Re: 6bblgt]
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07/27/13 03:02 AM
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sometimes early cars got things that later build cars didnt and vice versa. Our 70 chally has a black steering column and carpeting while the rest of the interior is red. Typical of early build cars.
Either way there is factory proof if it would or wouldn't have a shroud by means of the service manual. Or they could just talk to the prior owner of the car and see what it had on it at the time the prior / current owner had it.
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/27/13 07:41 AM
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So, my guess is that as a possibility, they ran out of some rads on the line. Shift supervisor ok'd a replacement, and those were used. It was noted, and made it into the final version of the parts book.
FYI, my GTX was built third week of October 1969 so Mopar was already slapping 22" radiators in 440 cars. Looking at the radiator list link provided above it shows the same thing in '68 and '69.
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/27/13 07:07 PM
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What does early and/or promo cars have to do with the subject? 
Absolutely nothing...considering all the challenger promo cars were 440-6, 4-SPEED, 26" RADIATOR cars!
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Re: does buildsheet show if a 22" rad car gets a shroud
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07/27/13 09:48 PM
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Mike,
I am sure that you know this already but when it comes to Mopars.... never say never. I came across an early hemi charger that was the press release car and that had a lot of 68 parts on it and stuff that it should not have had.
As with this charger, I am sure that there are other cars out there that were supposed to get one thing that it didn't for certain reasons. I know our 69 GTX vert is supposed to have a white stripe on it as per the fender tag. Talking to the third owner who had the car in all original state, it came from the factory with a red stripe. My charger was supposed to have the metal tabs that hold the engine harness onto the fire wall. The indicator is there and the nub where the tack weld should have been but no evidence of it ever having them installed. Again, hard to say why stuff like that happened since we were not there on the assembly line but as others have come to learn, never say never when it comes to mopars!
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Interesting. What's even more intriging is the column with 440-HP 3-2 BBL. the 3rd line down in that column lists a 960 Rad as a 26" piece. As is un-common knowledge, Parts Books are not Etched Tablets left on the highest mountain either.... Unlike those tablets, there are mistakes & errors within.
there is NO "shroud" section on a '70 b'cast sheet.
