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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: dennismopar73]
#1472023
07/22/13 07:58 PM
07/22/13 07:58 PM
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Plymouth Meeting, PA
bigtimeauto
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My s-10 will run 9.30 but I slow it down to run 10oh and dbbl enter it in the bracket race. Its so nice, no window net, no full cage, thin fire jacket, no fire pants, no gloves.......just makes for a fun day not to mention now i'm only taking it to 7K instead of 7800. Less maintenance!
BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: Cab_Burge]
#1472024
07/22/13 08:01 PM
07/22/13 08:01 PM
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Posts: 1,263
Southwestern Ontario Canada
racealittle
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Southwestern Ontario Canada
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I decided to not go through the hassle of buying all new safety gear and the licensing process and expenses of running my new car in Super Po in excess of 9.99. I found out the hard way this past weekend that I can't have it run faster than 135 MPH also    I ran the car last month at Woodburn and it accidentilly ran 9:23 at 143. MPH, I was playing with the adjustments on the delay box and throttle stop, I missed the mark a bunch on the fastest run   I ran the car again at Woodburn this past weekend and ran 10:12 at 143.+ MPH, then 10:13 at 143.+ MPH with no changes other than time and running the other lane  I changed the shift RPM from 6600 to 6800 RPM and that picked the car up to run 10:05 at 143.+ MPH. I was thinking I had everything figured out,  first round I was not allow to race by the track management based on the car not being in certification and me not being licensed or having all the appropriate driving gear   I tried to fight them on that but they where able to show me that rule in the rule book on running faster than 135.0 MPH being a trigger also I ended up trying to slow the car down on using the throttle stop a second time near the end of the run on Sunday, I turned it on a 9.0 seconds after releasing the trans. brake and never ran over 126.7 MPH on Sunday. I sure wish that NHRA would send us a rule book still, instead if having to go line or spend another $10.00 to get one Rant Off
Cab you are better than that. Nothing has changed in the rule books with respect to a given ET and MPH. If you exceed one, the other, or both; you have to accept the fact that you are too fast for "their defined rules and circumstances".
Once you can't accept the rules, it is time to move on to where the rules are different, or get a new hobby. I have moved on to enjoying the car more with less and still have the necessary combinations of parts to get me in trouble with the rules in sanctioned racing. There is always No-ET racing if you can find it.
Too many cars, too many parts, too little coin, too little space to work in, too little time left to make it all happen!
Update: down to one ride, still too many parts, a little more jingle in the pocket, gaining space, and it's going to happen this year!
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: RBDuster]
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07/22/13 08:23 PM
07/22/13 08:23 PM
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
Dragula
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
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I like going fast but am in the process of building a 383 to slow the car down to low 10's. Anyone want a good low run 470?
I might be....Send me a PM with info. 
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: 493_DART]
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07/23/13 07:34 AM
07/23/13 07:34 AM
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
Dragula
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
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my car went 6.40 and then showed 60/330 times that were even quicker .
As soon as the track says something, I will back it down. We already have the COMPLETE B.S 2 year belt rule and now the new INSANE locking dipstick deal...
Im not paying $$$$$$ just to go 6.39.
I used to support the NHRA ,but now that Ive gotten into racing a faster car over the years....I am starting to despise them due to the fact they are raping the small racers with silly un necessary rules so they can make kickback money.
new nhra rule for 2014 = SFI helmet revision 32.1 = you must have an sfi approved , brand new helmet EVERY year .
I am finding out it costs some cash to update the car for all the 9.99/6.49 rules. Why are all the rules seemingly applied at that speed?
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: 493_DART]
#1472030
07/23/13 08:42 AM
07/23/13 08:42 AM
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Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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Romeo MI
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my car went 6.40 and then showed 60/330 times that were even quicker .
As soon as the track says something, I will back it down. We already have the COMPLETE B.S 2 year belt rule and now the new INSANE locking dipstick deal...
Im not paying $$$$$$ just to go 6.39.
I used to support the NHRA ,but now that Ive gotten into racing a faster car over the years....I am starting to despise them due to the fact they are raping the small racers with silly un necessary rules so they can make kickback money.
new nhra rule for 2014 = SFI helmet revision 32.1 = you must have an sfi approved , brand new helmet EVERY year .
Can you post up the new helmet rule.. I didnt see it
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: Sammy]
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07/23/13 08:44 AM
07/23/13 08:44 AM
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new york usa
pattyboy 572
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new york usa
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SFI 32.1 = stock car fuel cell bladder???? helmet??? http://www.sfifoundation.com/Spec_32.1_032409.pdf
Last edited by pattyboy 572; 07/23/13 08:45 AM.
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: Sammy]
#1472033
07/23/13 09:23 AM
07/23/13 09:23 AM
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Indy
FlyFish
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I worked HARD at trying to slow my car down so I could run in Sportsman this year. I am only doing this for this year mainly as a money saving effort, but also because I LOVE foot brake racing (I don't have a T-brake), and I LOVE to race 1/4 mile. Pro at my track is all 1/8 mile, and the only foot brake category is sportsman at my track. Yes, my car will run 10.80's (6.8's in the 1/8) and I normally compete in Pro. It took a while, but I de-tuned my car to run 12.0x under full throttle. NO I'm not sandbagging....the guys that try to dial 12.00 with a low 11 second car and hold you by a fender usually go home first round. Here's what I did: 1. Removed secondaries. 2. Retard timing to 32°. 3. Installed super small restrictive air cleaner (I had it sitting on a shelf). 4. Short shift at 5200 RPM. 5. Added as much weight to the car as possible (safely). 6. Launch the car in second gear. All that to loose ~ 1.2 seconds, but it is very consistent and it didn't cost me a dime to do it. And no, I didn't switch classes because I sucked at driving. I have always finished in the top 10 in points (except for last year when I broke my rear end...hence, the trying to save money this year). I'm currently tied for 1st place in point in the Monster Mopar points (sportsman category), and 4th or 5th in points at my local track (because it took me the first 3 races to figure out how to slow my car down correctly). For all you haters out there...flame on 
67 Barracuda street car, 408, e85, 1.38 60', 6.44 @105.9 in the 1/8 mile, 10.19 @130.5 in the 1/4...so far....
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: FlyFish]
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07/23/13 10:22 AM
07/23/13 10:22 AM
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Sweet Home Alabama
MRMOPAR622
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Sweet Home Alabama
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Has anyone thought about running at a different track where they don't have or enforce all the BS rules?*?I can put a few more gallons of fuel in the truck and "Keep On Trucking" right passed tracks like that on my way to another!  If Racers won't race at those kind of tracks,they have only 2 choices back of some of the BS rules or close the track either one works for me.  "THINK ABOUT IT" 
"To Be The Man'You Have Got To Beat The Man"
"T/D and Pro-Bracket Racer"
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
#1472035
07/23/13 10:41 AM
07/23/13 10:41 AM
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United Socialist States of Ame...
tboomer
OP
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Too Many Posts
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United Socialist States of Ame...
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Hey,Billy!! I am feeling pretty good today...Here is another crap rule from my home track...For the big money,the winner of Pro has a run off with the winner of Super Pro...I have seen a Pro car win once in a while but not too often...Now I know how fast your car is.  So...You pull that box and run 1/8th mile against my beater and let's see how ya do!!  Just funnin' ya,buddy!!
Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: FlyFish]
#1472037
07/23/13 10:56 AM
07/23/13 10:56 AM
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Posts: 864
St Paul MN
73swinger
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St Paul MN
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I worked HARD at trying to slow my car down so I could run in Sportsman this year. I am only doing this for this year mainly as a money saving effort, but also because I LOVE foot brake racing (I don't have a T-brake), and I LOVE to race 1/4 mile. Pro at my track is all 1/8 mile, and the only foot brake category is sportsman at my track.
Yes, my car will run 10.80's (6.8's in the 1/8) and I normally compete in Pro. It took a while, but I de-tuned my car to run 12.0x under full throttle. NO I'm not sandbagging....the guys that try to dial 12.00 with a low 11 second car and hold you by a fender usually go home first round. Here's what I did:
1. Removed secondaries.
2. Retard timing to 32°.
3. Installed super small restrictive air cleaner (I had it sitting on a shelf).
4. Short shift at 5200 RPM.
5. Added as much weight to the car as possible (safely).
6. Launch the car in second gear.
All that to loose ~ 1.2 seconds, but it is very consistent and it didn't cost me a dime to do it.
And no, I didn't switch classes because I sucked at driving. I have always finished in the top 10 in points (except for last year when I broke my rear end...hence, the trying to save money this year). I'm currently tied for 1st place in point in the Monster Mopar points (sportsman category), and 4th or 5th in points at my local track (because it took me the first 3 races to figure out how to slow my car down correctly).
For all you haters out there...flame on
I wouldn't hate on that, you truly slowed the car down.
I do have a senario question though.
Sportsman class, 12.0 cut off. What if, in eliminations, i dial my 12.60 opponent dials 12.01
I break out going 12.55 -.05, but opponent breaks out with an 11.98 -.03 ? I break out greater, but opponent breaks out of the class cut off.
Who advances? Does breaking class cut off cause an instant DQ in eliminations?
Just asking.
Chris Schwartz
73 Swinger 340 12.451 @ 108.78
73 Gold Duster, needs a plan.
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: 73swinger]
#1472039
07/23/13 11:10 AM
07/23/13 11:10 AM
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Plymouth Meeting, PA
bigtimeauto
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I do have a senario question though.
Sportsman class, 12.0 cut off. What if, in eliminations, i dial my 12.60 opponent dials 12.01
I break out going 12.55 -.05, but opponent breaks out with an 11.98 -.03 ? I break out greater, but opponent breaks out of the class cut off.
Who advances? Does breaking class cut off cause an instant DQ in eliminations?
Just asking.
no
BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: bigtimeauto]
#1472040
07/23/13 11:17 AM
07/23/13 11:17 AM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
Not enough dumb comments...yet
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Brookeville, Md
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I do have a senario question though.
Sportsman class, 12.0 cut off. What if, in eliminations, i dial my 12.60 opponent dials 12.01
I break out going 12.55 -.05, but opponent breaks out with an 11.98 -.03 ? I break out greater, but opponent breaks out of the class cut off.
Who advances? Does breaking class cut off cause an instant DQ in eliminations?
Just asking.
no
I think (but could be wrong) double breakout 1st to finish wins, although I have won after seeing my win light come on and hitting the breaks just to make sure.
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: tboomer]
#1472041
07/23/13 11:20 AM
07/23/13 11:20 AM
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Posts: 864
St Paul MN
73swinger
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St Paul MN
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I do have a senario question though.
Sportsman class, 12.0 cut off. What if, in eliminations, i dial my 12.60 opponent dials 12.01
I break out going 12.55 -.05, but opponent breaks out with an 11.98 -.03 ? I break out greater, but opponent breaks out of the class cut off.
Who advances? Does breaking class cut off cause an instant DQ in eliminations?
Just asking.
Great question,Chris! I would think you would get the win....  Unless your opponet was one of the track managers "favorites" 
My thought was that I should be advancing on that one, I've always wondered about that situation. I don't have to deal with it at Rock Falls, as we don't have a sportsman class. I race trophy 9.0 to 12.99 trans. brakes allowed.
Ted, do let me know who I should be watching for sandbagging when I come to race sportsman at Cedar Falls. 
Chris Schwartz
73 Swinger 340 12.451 @ 108.78
73 Gold Duster, needs a plan.
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