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thinking about building a supercharged 440 #1468240 07/15/13 01:45 PM 07/15/13 01:45 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin bigblockbryan OP super stock
bigblockbryan OP super stock Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin	okay im thinking about building supercharged 440 for the 69 super bee clone my goal is 6-700 horse streetable with a manual trans also would it be a good idea to use a 500 inch stroker kit. From 440 source low compression forged internals this is a idea i wont be building a motor tell spring im going to get the body done first.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: bigblockbryan] #1468241 07/15/13 02:12 PM 07/15/13 02:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Are you going to use a centrif or roots system? Both are pretty expensive but worth it. I'd think's easier to do it w/ more cubes, especially if you have to get new rods/pistons/bore anyway. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1468242 07/15/13 02:17 PM 07/15/13 02:17 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin bigblockbryan OP super stock
bigblockbryan OP super stock Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin	id like to do a roots style i know it be cheaper just to stroke it but a roots stlye blower would just be bad ass

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: bigblockbryan] #1468243 07/15/13 03:03 PM 07/15/13 03:03 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Do one or the other, not both. Strokers are not cool with blowers on top. There's enough power produced with a blower and stroker cranks just add to the oil control problems strokers and blowers create. Boost slows oil draining to the pan. You don't need both and both together are not cool at all to me. Just says someone has more money than sense to me and they don't work well together.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: Challenger 1] #1468244 07/15/13 03:17 PM 07/15/13 03:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,646 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,646 So Cal	Quote: ... and stroker cranks just add to the oil control problems strokers and blowers create. Boost slows oil draining to the pan. ... I'm not familiar with blowers. Could you elaborate on oil control problems with strokers and blowers? How does boost slow oil draining to the pan? Spring Fling 37 May 3 & 4, 2025 at Woodley Park, Van Nuys CA 600+ Mopars, 200+ swap, midway, Friday Malibu cruise,

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: bigblockbryan] #1468245 07/15/13 03:21 PM 07/15/13 03:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,646 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,646 So Cal	Quote: okay im thinking about building supercharged 440 for the 69 super bee clone my goal is 6-700 horse streetable with a manual trans also would it be a good idea to use a 500 inch stroker kit. From 440 source low compression forged internals this is a idea i wont be building a motor tell spring im going to get the body done first. Are the 440 source parts designed to take 600-700 horsepower?

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: autoxcuda] #1468246 07/15/13 03:37 PM 07/15/13 03:37 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	It does just what I said, lot's of crankcase pressure with a blower. Ask 572dart if you don't believe me.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: autoxcuda] #1468247 07/15/13 03:39 PM 07/15/13 03:39 PM
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dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	600 - 700 hp can be had with a big NA motor without the weight or complexity of a blower. 600 - 700 hp is going to be all the stock block can take. It, not the 440Source kit, is going to be your limiting factor. I don't believe the oil problem is as dire as has been painted. If you're going to put a blower on top of a stroker motor, better start with an aftermarket block. Then invest in some bigtime chassis stiffening or your Bee is going to twist the first time it hooks up well. R.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: Challenger 1] #1468248 07/15/13 04:04 PM 07/15/13 04:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,646 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,646 So Cal	Quote: It does just what I said, lot's of crankcase pressure with a blower. Ask 572dart if you don't believe me. I was just asking. I know nothing about blower motors. I'm not much of a motor guy at all. But I'm curious why the additional stroke would make things worse? Does it relate to the extra air volume under the piston inside the block displaced and/or additional piston speed? Spring Fling 37 May 3 & 4, 2025 at Woodley Park, Van Nuys CA 600+ Mopars, 200+ swap, midway, Friday Malibu cruise,

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: autoxcuda] #1468249 07/15/13 04:19 PM 07/15/13 04:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Larger arm cranks scoop up more oil and keep it suspended more than a shorter stroke crank with a big bore which works better with boost, imo. Ask the blown guys about the oil blowing out of the breathers on the valve covers. Now granted 500 inches is not that large and know he is not talking about 40-60lbs of boost, but still.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: dogdays] #1468250 07/15/13 05:14 PM 07/15/13 05:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: 600 - 700 hp can be had with a big NA motor without the weight or complexity of a blower. 600 - 700 hp is going to be all the stock block can take. It, not the 440Source kit, is going to be your limiting factor. I don't believe the oil problem is as dire as has been painted. If you're going to put a blower on top of a stroker motor, better start with an aftermarket block. Then invest in some bigtime chassis stiffening or your Bee is going to twist the first time it hooks up well. R. 600-700 N/A? not w/o a craaaaaap load of work and high $$$ parts, not to mention the crazy gear and convert you'd have to run to make it work. while a 600hp boosted motor would be calm as a kitten and you wouldn't need all the crazy internals of a high dollar race motor.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1468251 07/15/13 05:54 PM 07/15/13 05:54 PM
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1969 HEMI R-T mopar Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 637 West Central Wi.	I like the roots set ups. do it how you like. my cousin is building a 440 8-71 street car right now. it should make all of 600 Hp and will be a torque monster. should be done late this summer go for it!! love the 69 coronets!! HEMI,S ARE FOREVER!!!

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: 1969 HEMI R-T] #1468252 07/15/13 06:49 PM 07/15/13 06:49 PM
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Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	Skip the stroker. You can make a solid 600-700HP from a stock stroke 383 with a roots 6-71 on top (ask ChrisF), to brag about having 500 cubes under boost and the same would just be embarrassing. The 440 is easy, and cheap (relatively) to supercharge. I'd personally go with the 400 (stock stroke), but then you're looking for a good manifold. Hell, to even use a stock 440 to its street potential under boost is pushing the block a bit, so adding more cubes is also asking for trouble. In my opinion 700HP should be your absolute minimum HP goal. Anything less is just heating up the air for no good reason other than showing off.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: Pale_Roader] #1468253 07/16/13 01:58 PM 07/16/13 01:58 PM
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bigblockbryan OP super stock Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin	yea what im after is a verry streetable why would the 383/400 block be any tougher then a 440 block? i have a 383,413,and a 440 block i will skip the stroker.whats a good compression ratio for supercharged motor? i will buy forged pistons probably scat h beam rods what kinda pistons would you reccomand i also thought about running a set of stealth heads.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: bigblockbryan] #1468254 07/16/13 02:01 PM 07/16/13 02:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/1007phr_big_block_mopar_engines/viewall.html Doesn't seem like a crapload of parts to me and won't need an 8" converter. Make the engine bigger, like a 542, stick on a set of Indy heads and you're there. R.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: bigblockbryan] #1468255 07/16/13 02:19 PM 07/16/13 02:19 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 44,180 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 44,180 Bend,OR USA	Quote: yea what im after is a verry streetable why would the 383/400 block be any tougher then a 440 block? i have a 383,413,and a 440 block I will skip the stroker.whats a good compression ratio for supercharged motor? i will buy forged pistons probably scat h beam rods what kinda pistons would you reccomand i also thought about running a set of stealth heads. The 400 blocks have a lot thicker main web Way better choice for a blower motor I had tried to put a comment on another post on here about using a 10:71 blower instead of the 6:71 blower,(it didn't make it onto that post ) you can turn the 10:71 a lot slower and make the same amount of boost without heating the inlet temps and loosing HP do to driving the smaller blower faster compressing the air more to make the same HP and torque make sure and have the crankshaft cut for two keyways, same thing(dual keys ) on the blower hub or dampener Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: dogdays] #1468256 07/16/13 02:36 PM 07/16/13 02:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/1007phr_big_block_mopar_engines/viewall.html Doesn't seem like a crapload of parts to me and won't need an 8" converter. Make the engine bigger, like a 542, stick on a set of Indy heads and you're there. R. making a 542ci wedge is a lot of work, it's not like that assembly will just drop in. You will also need a 630+ lift cam...not street friendy. The heads will have to be worked, and Indy heads aren't cheap to start with. Not to mention that motor was 12.5:1. Good luck running that on pump gas. Can it be done, sure but a boosted engine will be much easier to deal with. And cheaper in the long run.

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1468257 07/16/13 02:45 PM 07/16/13 02:45 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin bigblockbryan OP super stock
bigblockbryan OP super stock Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin	yea i really want to make this thing street friendly because thats what i wanna do with this car drive the crap out of it i do want to run a manual trans

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: bigblockbryan] #1468258 07/16/13 02:49 PM 07/16/13 02:49 PM
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bigblockbryan OP super stock Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin	theres no way i wanna run somthing with 12.5.1 compression on the street i have a 440 thats 10.5.1 and sometimes that thing gets picky with its fuel

Re: thinking about building a supercharged 440 [Re: bigblockbryan] #1468259 07/16/13 02:59 PM 07/16/13 02:59 PM
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bigblockbryan OP super stock Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 793 United states wisconsin	also could i just buy some thicker head gaskets for my current 440 run a super charger on that i have a 440 i built that got 10.5.1 compression speed pro forged flat top pistons scat h beam rods factory steel crank 452 heads comp cam 484 the the whole assembly is balanced too otherwise i think i will keep my eye out for a 400 mopar motor or i also have a verry old school 383 golden lion motor would that work? 7778832-997998_10151442288821082_136535582_n.jpg (187 downloads)

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