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Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1437034
05/17/13 04:49 AM 05/17/13 04:49 AM
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Looking good, those should cleaned up great! ........Look what I'm facing this evening



With glass bead I was expecting a different finish, different grit perhaps?

Wow, those poor 409 carbs look like they spent time in a lake! What a mess.
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1437035
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And the owner "Helped" me get the throttle shafts free......By bending the blades in half with a screw driver.......




We both know those will buff out !

Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1437036
05/17/13 09:42 AM 05/17/13 09:42 AM
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Yes glass beading (or other media blasting) can leave a high degree of surface texture/appearance variability depending on the type/size/pressure of the media. I avoid blasting in my process if at all possible but some really rough examples (i.e. these 409 carbs) will require it. In this case its only one of several steps used to revive the factory look (vibratory finisher, sonic cleaner, tumbler, etc.).
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1437037
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Yes glass beading (or other media blasting) can leave a high degree of surface texture/appearance variability depending on the type/size/pressure of the media. I avoid blasting in my process if at all possible but some really rough examples (i.e. these 409 carbs) will require it. In this case its only one of several steps used to revive the factory look (vibratory finisher, sonic cleaner, tumbler, etc.).



You forgot one item !!

Also,check your email
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1437038
05/17/13 11:10 AM 05/17/13 11:10 AM
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At least I got a free Mud Dauber nest with them

Talk about a barn find

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Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: RapidRobert] #1437039
05/17/13 11:22 AM 05/17/13 11:22 AM
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No luck on that one jet yet, would not budge this morning even with an easy out in it. When I get home tonight, I might try heating the casting and placing something cold on the jet and see if it pops loose.
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: gdonovan] #1437040
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No luck on that one jet yet, would not budge this morning even with an easy out in it. When I get home tonight, I might try heating the casting and placing something cold on the jet and see if it pops loose.



Really should have left it alone !

Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1437041
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It looks like you are getting it cleaned up good. I picked up a rotted out, pitted, left for dead Eddy 600 manual choke for $20 that was way worse than yours. I ran it through the glass bead cabinet and decided to see what it would look like powder coated. The carb turned out looking pretty good. I put a kit in it and had maybe a total of $60 in it by the time I bolted it on. I've been running it for about a year now, and have only pulled it off once to wash it down with soapy water (powder coat doesnt seem to like carb cleaner). This picture was when I go it all done and ready to use.

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Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1437042
05/17/13 06:46 PM 05/17/13 06:46 PM
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No luck on that one jet yet, would not budge this morning even with an easy out in it. When I get home tonight, I might try heating the casting and placing something cold on the jet and see if it pops loose.



Really should have left it alone !



Got it out but it put up a hell of a fight!
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: gdonovan] #1437043
05/24/13 08:48 PM 05/24/13 08:48 PM
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Both carbs have been tested on the run stand and are functional again =)

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Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: gdonovan] #1437044
05/24/13 08:49 PM 05/24/13 08:49 PM
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Sweet! I still need to get a few odd screws but that's easy enough in the near future.

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Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: gdonovan] #1437045
07/31/13 03:55 AM 07/31/13 03:55 AM
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Units are 4758S and 4761S 500's and worked fabulous on my 440.





Question- Does anyone know what the stock jetting is for these two carburetors? I looked everywhere this morning but could find no reference.

They have a lean spot just off idle (not transition but steady throttle) and I want to return them to a baseline before making changes but don't know what the baseline jetting is.

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Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: gdonovan] #1437046
07/31/13 03:34 PM 07/31/13 03:34 PM
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Here is what Edelbrock has listed for the 500cfm AVS knockoff, with single and dual quad listings. That's the way I set my 4966 carbs up with, the engine doesn't go on the dyno for a few weeks. We'll see how close they are then.

Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: Skeptic] #1437047
07/31/13 04:33 PM 07/31/13 04:33 PM
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Here is what Edelbrock has listed for the 500cfm AVS knockoff, with single and dual quad listings. That's the way I set my 4966 carbs up with, the engine doesn't go on the dyno for a few weeks. We'll see how close they are then.



Thanks! I looked at the AFB listings since thats what I'm running, AVS secondaries are very different than the AFB.
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: gdonovan] #1437048
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The main difference is the mechanism for vacuum control. Still the jetting gives you a starting point. HTH, Steve
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: Skeptic] #1437049
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Here is what Edelbrock has listed for the 500cfm AVS knockoff, with single and dual quad listings. That's the way I set my 4966 carbs up with, the engine doesn't go on the dyno for a few weeks. We'll see how close they are then.



Edelbrock has the primary and secondary jets mixed.

Larger jets go on the primary side.
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: gdonovan] #1437050
08/01/13 08:37 AM 08/01/13 08:37 AM
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Here is what Edelbrock has listed for the 500cfm AVS knockoff, with single and dual quad listings. That's the way I set my 4966 carbs up with, the engine doesn't go on the dyno for a few weeks. We'll see how close they are then.



Edelbrock has the primary and secondary jets mixed.

Larger jets go on the primary side.


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#1803/#1804 are calibrated for dual-quad applications and factory equipped with: Metering Jets -Primary .086, Secondary .077 ; Metering Rods - .065 x .057; #1804:Metering Jets -Primary .086, Secondary .077 ; Metering Rods - .065 x .052; Step-Up Spring - orange (5" Hg).


Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: gdonovan] #1437051
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Those carbs look great, what did you use to refinish them?

Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: Skeptic] #1437052
08/01/13 09:01 AM 08/01/13 09:01 AM
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#1803/#1804 are calibrated for dual-quad applications and factory equipped with: Metering Jets -Primary .086, Secondary .077 ; Metering Rods - .065 x .057; #1804:Metering Jets -Primary .086, Secondary .077 ; Metering Rods - .065 x .052; Step-Up Spring - orange (5" Hg).





You listed the wrong carb, look up a 500 CFM AFB (performer series).

"Comes with: Metering Jets - Primary .086, Secondary .095; Metering Rods - .065 x .052; Step-Up Spring - orange (5" Hg)"

This is incorrect, I spent hours last night chasing my tail due to it.
Re: Carter 500's, can this mess be fixed & if so worth it? [Re: Skeptic] #1437053
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Those carbs look great, what did you use to refinish them?



Glass bead from Tractor Supply, new screws from True Value Hardware, kits and floats from Ebay and gold paint from AC Moore.
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