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Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: Dodgem] #1436852
05/21/13 02:49 PM 05/21/13 02:49 PM
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Thanks keith like I said a freind who runs in the lower Nascar Canada ranks has tested and got best so far fom Shell V Power. supposed to be ethanol free.

Anyway the law As I understand it in ontario and I think canada right now is there has to be an average content of 5% ethanol in the total fuel sold by any one company.

Going out now to but some Shell V power and testing it for Ethanol and maybe some Esso 91 while I'm out!




I was curious as well so i made a call


I spoke with a buddy who is a lab tech @ the Shell refinary in Sarnia and he confirmed that the 91 grade is indeed ethanol free

He did state that the requirement is for minimum 5% average for all fuels sold. The 87 is 10% and the 89 is 4-5% so that's how they get around it. He also told me that the 89 is a mix between 87 and 91 and it is done right at the pump which i found interesting.

Hope that helps ya Dodgem


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Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: Dodgem] #1436853
05/21/13 05:08 PM 05/21/13 05:08 PM
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So just how are you checking for alcohol content in the gasoline, just curious.

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Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: onig] #1436854
05/21/13 05:14 PM 05/21/13 05:14 PM
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There are commercially available testers out there pretty cheap. I think I paid 25 bucks for mine. Got it from the local small engine repair shop. Ask those guys what they think about ethanol fuels if you want an ear full
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Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: firefighter3931] #1436855
05/21/13 05:21 PM 05/21/13 05:21 PM
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Just finished testing as I said I tested 87 and 94 Ultra from my local Petro Canada which is Sunoco and according to them fuels are consistent across Petro Can, Husky and Sunoco brand stores (few Sunocos if any left)
got 8% for 87 and 10% for 94 Ultra

Today got 91 Esso, 91 Shell V power and 91 from that same petro can as above.

Results are
I first pumped 5 to six liters into truck tank first then 2 to 2.5 liters into an empty container at each stop. (3.78 Liters in a US gallon)

91 from the Petro can (Sunoco) was 8 % ehtanol

91 from Esso was .7% ethanol

91 Shell V Power was .5 % ethanol.

Maybe a bit of E8/10 in containers drained real well but may more than likely be residual from winter blends??

Not sure where I'm going from hear with this info but for sure found my source of lawn mower / snow blower fuel! LOL!

so far it seems Sunoco Ultra 94 likes 2 to 3 extra jet sizes?

Now Maybe saturday I'll go to timed trials and try Shell 91 V power
turning the timing back then sneaking it up 2 deg at a time.

Then drain that out and go back to the Ulta 94 E10 and jet up to what we think works and try that???



Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: onig] #1436856
05/21/13 05:40 PM 05/21/13 05:40 PM
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I just used my CC buret found how much it takes to fill up to the 100cc line (+ 7cc) and then filled to 57 cc line which is 50 cc add 10cc water shake and let it settle out drain water ethanol mixture say it then dropped to 53 cc line 4 cc Ethanol was removed 4/50 X 100 = 8%

Some use a 200 ml beaker add 20 ml (cc) water then 100ml (cc) gas shack and let settle out

or cut in volumes in 1/2 as i did I used what was at hand CC burret

Pure gas V power


After adding water and shaking


after settling out water level is about .3 to .4 above where pure water should have been draining to pure gas showed .2 to .3 below wher pure gas started s lets say .25 / 50 X 100 = .5%


Now the 94 was 5 cc higher than water added and when water and ethanol drained off was 5 cc lower than start so 10%
Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: Dodgem] #1436857
05/21/13 05:56 PM 05/21/13 05:56 PM
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Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: Dodgem] #1436858
05/22/13 10:17 AM 05/22/13 10:17 AM
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Something like this would be the ticket for fuel testing but since I already had a cc buret I used it
Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: Dodgem] #1436859
05/22/13 10:50 AM 05/22/13 10:50 AM
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Barry, I agree that 10% ethonal sucks. Remember that stumble we couldn't tune out of Da Bee? I was convinced I needed to dump the carb and install EFI, then I found a local station that sells 100% gas 91, so I started running it in Da Bee. The stumble is gone drivability is better, it's feels like a whole different engine. Maybe I don't need EFI after all. But I still love running E85 in Da Beast!
Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: Dodgem] #1436860
05/22/13 11:04 AM 05/22/13 11:04 AM
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I'm going to pick up one of the fuel testers to run some comparison tests of the local pump fuel (Mid-Atlantic USA).

The two closest brands which I've used traditionally in The MoPig are Sunoco and Shell, both of which have the standard "Contains 10% Ethanol" stickers on their multi-octane dispensing pumps.

We still have 93-octane available here, but my assumption is that everything in this region is an ethanol blend year around (and has been for years now). Out of date or not, the links to sources for "straight gas" vendors listed above showed nothing close to me.
Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: BradH] #1436861
05/22/13 12:26 PM 05/22/13 12:26 PM
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Quikfuel sells a E 85 tester that is reasonable, I'm sure it will test other % of gasahol also

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Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: Dabee] #1436862
05/22/13 12:36 PM 05/22/13 12:36 PM
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Barry, I agree that 10% ethonal sucks. Remember that stumble we couldn't tune out of Da Bee? I was convinced I needed to dump the carb and install EFI, then I found a local station that sells 100% gas 91, so I started running it in Da Bee. The stumble is gone drivability is better, it's feels like a whole different engine. Maybe I don't need EFI after all. But I still love running E85 in Da Beast!




Cool Russ going to try the 91 V power and sneak up on the timing vs the E10 94 Ultra. mixing 20 litres of 91 with 5 litres of 110 would give me 94 to 95 octane if I felt I needed it!
Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: BradH] #1436863
05/22/13 12:44 PM 05/22/13 12:44 PM
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I'm going to pick up one of the fuel testers to run some comparison tests of the local pump fuel (Mid-Atlantic USA).

The two closest brands which I've used traditionally in The MoPig are Sunoco and Shell, both of which have the standard "Contains 10% Ethanol" stickers on their multi-octane dispensing pumps.

We still have 93-octane available here, but my assumption is that everything in this region is an ethanol blend year around (and has been for years now). Out of date or not, the links to sources for "straight gas" vendors listed above showed nothing close to me.



some online searches found one guy that had emailed shell and others showed even within some states the % of Ethanol in shell 91 changes but seem to say that while Canada was staying 91 E free the US will be E10. Now that will likely change here too if the government changes we should be good for another 2 to 3 years but some were pushing the government to go to at least 10% and the the 15% your federal government is considering!
Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: Dodgem] #1436864
05/22/13 12:53 PM 05/22/13 12:53 PM
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Here is a site that lists stations that sell pure gas.

http://pure-gas.org/
Re: Sunoco 94 E10 jetting/report [Re: justinp61] #1436865
05/22/13 04:43 PM 05/22/13 04:43 PM
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Thanks I'll test the Canadian tire but I'm pretty sure they sell ESSO!
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