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Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: Twostick] #1428124
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And about the only difference between it and a stock iron one is the weight.

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wrong..it's a good intake, especailly if you work it a little.


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Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1428125
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The DP4B is definitely faster than the stock 666 intake by at least a tenth.

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Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #1428126
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The Hot Rod Test of the 383 Intakes - The DP4 versus the Performer (Stock Factory Intake Was Not In That Test)

From what I remember there was like 1 ft lb difference between the two and something like 4-5 hp WOW !!!

And personally I have seen dyno numbers on both intakes and they where within a few hp either way on a mildly built 383 - Apples to Apples




"mildly built 383" being the key element here. Now add a lot more cam compression, carb, better exhaust and see which prevails.

I have a SB Perf. and an old LD4B, flip them over and look at the cast runners and huge difference. The Perf. looks like it would be lucky to hit 5k rpm. Which was OK back in the day when it was designed for its intended market.






on my SB I went from a performer to a LD4B..night and day improvment

I went from the weiand action plus on my smogger 440 to the RPM intake..again night and day improvment.

the RPM has lots more torque down low and and thru the rpm range

when I went to the LD340 over the LD4B I did not get the same result, a very slight increase over all with that swap.

IMHO,the CH/DP were the LD intakes for the B/RB intakes and work very well.

so whats wrong with old stuff that still works today? from what I see the new stuff is only slightly better in looks/performance and cost more.


Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: beatgoeson] #1428127
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Ch4B will fit under a stock hood with a factory air cleaner , an RPM won't . thats one big reason for me.




As long as your stock aircleaner isn't an air grabber air cleaner on a 69 plymouth it might .

The CH4B, like the DP4B , is taller than a stock iron intake.

Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: bee1971] #1428128
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And from all the dyno tests i have seen its not any better then a Edelbrock Performer Intake , maybe a couple horsepower at best - So why would anyone spend the time and money on a used DP/CH Intake and not knowing what your getting as far as its been milled or heli-coils etc. when you can get the Performer or Performer RPM brand new ???




Reading all your posts in this thread it appears you really have a hair across your backside against the DP4B , did you get stood up on a date with one ?

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There is a thread here somewhere were there was a comparision of the Dp4B vs. the performer , it's the same manifold , for some reason Ebrock turned it 180* and moved the coil mount, added EGR port ??? I'll post the pictures again.

Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: JohnRR] #1428129
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Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: JohnRR] #1428130
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Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: JohnRR] #1428131
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Wasn't this thread about the CH4B ???

Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: bee1971] #1428132
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And from all the dyno tests i have seen its not any better then a Edelbrock Performer Intake , maybe a couple horsepower at best - So why would anyone spend the time and money on a used DP/CH Intake and not knowing what your getting as far as its been milled or heli-coils etc. when you can get the Performer or Performer RPM brand new ???




Because: an intake manifold is basically a non-wear item; a used DP/CH is maybe a third the price of a new intake; it is a pretty darn good intake in its own right - better than the Performer, with more hood clearance than an RPM; it's half the weight of the factory iron intake; and there is nothing wrong with heli-coils for something as lightly loaded as carb/coil mounting studs/bolts???

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Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: bee1971] #1428134
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First of all where talking about the 383 here , not the 440 in that test - Also the Performer WASNT in that test you posted - Also in that test the Performer Rpm makes a positive torque difference down low compared

Again 383 , and the Performer wasn't in that test

NEXT







Who is we ? Maybe you need to re-read the question....it clearly asks about a CH4B and whether or not it will fit on a low-deck. Of course the answer is no.

You go on to inject your opinion on the CH4B which is indeed.... wrong. There is a huge difference between a 440 performer and the CH4b. The 440 performer is more restrictive than a stock manifold....on a 440 with some cam/headers it's all done at 5300 or thereabouts. I know i had one on my old 446 !

The 383 performer is a much better manifold vs it's 440 counterpart, that much is obvious by the dyno results and a visual inspection.....no disagreement there. But saying that the CH4B is no better than a 440 Performer is Bull$hit.

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Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: JohnRR] #1428135
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And from all the dyno tests i have seen its not any better then a Edelbrock Performer Intake , maybe a couple horsepower at best - So why would anyone spend the time and money on a used DP/CH Intake and not knowing what your getting as far as its been milled or heli-coils etc. when you can get the Performer or Performer RPM brand new ???




Reading all your posts in this thread it appears you really have a hair across your backside against the DP4B , did you get stood up on a date with one ?

...

There is a thread here somewhere were there was a comparision of the Dp4B vs. the performer , it's the same manifold , for some reason Ebrock turned it 180* and moved the coil mount, added EGR port ??? I'll post the pictures again.





Yeah , i got rejected by the 50 year old because the hot newer 21 year old was waiting to bee screwed

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Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: dogdays] #1428136
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The DP4B/CH4B seems to be a pretty good intake, so long as you have stock heads. It seems even a half decent intake can outflow the stock heads. Now heavily ported stock heads or aftermarket heads will outflow the DP4B/CH4B. It's all about where the bottleneck is in your build. I plan to run one of those intakes on a mild built engine with stock heads. I'm building another with ported aftermarket heads that I wouldn't even bring one of those intakes close to.

Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: bee1971] #1428137
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But in all fairness , if I am building a Serious 383 or 440 with all the goodies , aluminum heads blah blah blah etc. are you seriously going to go out of your way to find a DP4 Intake to stick on top of it , really




The situation above is likely what YOU'D do. BUT, some of us have bought vintage parts over time and like to build with the best of what we've acquired. And if it beats the guy that has the top-dollar latest speed part we know we've tweaked our combo a bit better with our knowledge rather than our checkbook.

Just sayin'..........either scenario is good. Take your pick.


R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04
Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: IcorkSOAK] #1428138
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DeanO ..... Eddy does some things "funny" anyways .... a couple of years ago I asked them for some info on both the SP2P and the Streetmaster and they said they knew ZIP about it.

INTERESTING ....even though I made it plain that I was buildiing a low rpm torque motor with MPG in-mind with a spreadbore carb ...




Doc,
Those old 70's era fuel crisis inspired manifolds are as ancient as a dial phone. The original engineers are long gone to the great state of FL, near you, retired or gone. The youngin's they have now were just being born. Time is money and they have no clue as to how/why they were developed.

I called them early in 2000 about their marine related castings (bellhousings, timing covers and exh. manifolds) for Mopars. They probably quit that stuff in the early 80's (Chevy stuff at least). They had no idea of what I was referring to. No molds left, nuthin'.

If it's anything like the automotive industry.........it's ancient history once it's out of production.


R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04
Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #1428139
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R U saying that those intakes were back in the deanOsaur dayz ? ...

MPG is mpg ...be it back in the 70's(when I was reported to be 5 or so years old) ...or now in 2013 that I am 39 !

And I see that you "cut" the first part of my previous post

Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: IcorkSOAK] #1428140
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My personal experience with the ch4b is a lot better than the performer on a 440 and now on my 496.I can't fit an rpm under the hood of my C body.I have ran the performer,ch4b,and the street dominator.Yes the sd outperforms them both but I like the low end and the smoother idle of a dual plane intake on my mild 496 in a heavy car.The ch4b is a lot stronger from the mid range up than a performer.It has no problems spinning my 496 to 6k and will eagerly go past it if I don't lift.Is the rpm better?Probably so but it won't work for me.Only way I am cutting the hood is for a tunnel ram.

Re: Edlebrock CH4B Intake manifold question [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #1428141
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I have a SB Perf. and an old LD4B, flip them over and look at the cast runners and huge difference. The Perf. looks like it would be lucky to hit 5k rpm. Which was OK back in the day when it was designed for its intended market.


From my experience with the SB Performer and the LD4B was the performance difference was fanominal. The LD4B ran up to 6000 without a problem and 11.80's for me. Much more gain going from the performer to the LD4B than from the LD4B to the LD340. Which on the same package resulted in mid 11.60's.

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