Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 04:22 PM
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I had my trans rebuilt a few years back as it made too much noise when driving and was just tired, the place that did it I was told was very good, anyhow when they were done it was nice and quiet but sometimes when you went from 3rd to 4th it made a nasty sound, he told me just shift faster and you wont hear it, which is true. I should have had the stomach to say 'Fix it right' I was charged $1,300 at the time. Anyhow I want to get it fixed right as it bugs me, what would cause that sound going to 4th gear ? I would not think I would need a complete rebuild. Trans has only about 2000 miles on it at the most.
Probably either the blocker ring, or the dog teeth on input pinion (as you know there really isn't a 4th gear. The slider just locks the input shaft to the output shaft. Voila! Direct gear!) or the slider itself.
Only makes noise during the shift?
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 04:28 PM
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I had my trans rebuilt a few years back as it made too much noise when driving and was just tired, the place that did it I was told was very good, anyhow when they were done it was nice and quiet but sometimes when you went from 3rd to 4th it made a nasty sound, he told me just shift faster and you wont hear it, which is true. I should have had the stomach to say 'Fix it right' I was charged $1,300 at the time. Anyhow I want to get it fixed right as it bugs me, what would cause that sound going to 4th gear ? I would not think I would need a complete rebuild. Trans has only about 2000 miles on it at the most.
Probably either the blocker ring, or the dog teeth on input pinion (as you know there really isn't a 4th gear. The slider just locks the input shaft to the output shaft. Voila! Direct gear!) or the slider itself.
Only makes noise during the shift?
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 04:42 PM
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Question is ; What did you get for $1300? For that kind of money, I'd at least expect all new drive gears, input shaft, bearings, seals syncro assys. gaskets, etc, etc, etc. Then if you have a problem, like you have now, grow some cahoona's and tell the guy it ain't right and it needs fixed.. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif) It sounds like the input shaft dog teeth are gone, from your vague description. For $1300 the only original parts should be the case. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shock.gif)
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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If your dragging the clutch, not pushing it down all the way to completely disenage the clucth disc, it is probally grnding the steel slider teeth against the steel teeth on the gears
Thanks, but that is not the problem
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 07:26 PM
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Are you running synthetic lubricant? That could be the problem. If you're not running ATF try that and see if it helps.
Did you Dial in the bell housing? That could be it as well.
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 09:00 PM
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Are you running synthetic lubricant? That could be the problem. If you're not running ATF try that and see if it helps.
Did you Dial in the bell housing? That could be it as well.
90 weight gear oil
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 09:46 PM
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Groom Gears $195
WTF is "groom gears" ?!?!?!?
And what's that first item for $210.?
$84. for a throwout bearing ... is it made of gold ???
And he seems to have replaced your case ... why? Unless it was cracked there's no reason to replace the case.
Ya got took if ya ask me.
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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Groom Gears $195
WTF is "groom gears" ?!?!?!?
And what's that first item for $210.?
$84. for a throwout bearing ... is it made of gold ???
And he seems to have replaced your case ... why? Unless it was cracked there's no reason to replace the case.
Ya got took if ya ask me.
Did you not read my post correctly ? I said I admit I dont know much about the insides of trannys, so how would I know what 'Groom Gears' means ? you dont appear to know but I am sure one of the people here that know this stuff will have a idea, I dont know what the first item is, if you reread what I said you will see I said his writing was bad, I cannot recall a reason for the replaced case. You say 'Ya got took if you ask me' i did not ask you ok, I may have been took as you say but I just want to know what he did or did not do to cause my problem. just looking for some info from the people on here who know and not Smart A** comments
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 10:41 PM
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Groom Gears $195
WTF is "groom gears" ?!?!?!?
And what's that first item for $210.?
$84. for a throwout bearing ... is it made of gold ???
And he seems to have replaced your case ... why? Unless it was cracked there's no reason to replace the case.
Ya got took if ya ask me.
Did you not read my post correctly ? I said I admit I dont know much about the insides of trannys, so how would I know what 'Groom Gears' means ? you dont appear to know but I am sure one of the people here that know this stuff will have a idea, I dont know what the first item is, if you reread what I said you will see I said his writing was bad, I cannot recall a reason for the replaced case. You say 'Ya got took if you ask me' i did not ask you ok, I may have been took as you say but I just want to know what he did or did not do to cause my problem. just looking for some info from the people on here who know and not Smart A** comments
Lighten up we were just asking a question as we don't know what it means either. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shruggy.gif)
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 11:21 PM
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Pretty sure the high load bearing is well over a hundred dollars. Could be the first item. Other is probably "case and main shaft" possibly. Not sure what groom gears means. Clean them up, finish in some way? http://www.taylor-race.com/isotropic.cfmI think the OP knows that he spent some money. Sounds like he is just looking for some help rather than getting his investment picked apart.
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/18/13 11:42 PM
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I don't know where you live, but I'd try draining the gear oil and install some Dexron ATF. For the money you've spent, another $10.00 shouldn't matter. In cold climates gear oil is like syrup and really make the tranny hard to shift and do funny things. It won't hurt, and if it works you've saved yourself a rebuild. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif) Another thing I just remembered. Most gear oil sold in stores is GL5. Manual transmission need a GL4 type. Again my Quote:
I dug out the paperwork and it was done 10 years ago,
Ten years is a long time and I don't think you can go back to him now. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif)
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/19/13 12:48 AM
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I agree, try using ATF. It might just help. Another question for you: Are you running the stock bell housing, or is there an aftermarket scatter shield in there? Like a Lakewood? Since fourth gear is the only gear that it grinds into, i am suspecting misalignment of the input shaft caused by a bell housing bore that is not concentric with the centerline of the crankshaft. Aftermarket scatter shields are notorious for this, But it can happen with the stock Bellhousing too.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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Re: 18 spline Hemi trans question
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04/19/13 08:01 AM
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Gus for a shop the prices arent too bad.I paid almost 50 bucks for a timken TOB for my 23 spline 65 and that was shop price about 8 or so years ago.R&R the trans clutch and tear the trans down requires some decent labor.I see the story changes as first it sounded like a complete rebuild.Now its R&R the trans clutch etc.When I had the 65s trans done back in 69 it cost me about 450.Guy that did it replace syncros and slider and some bearing etc.He only charged me 50 bucks labor as I had the trans out.That and I knew him.Rocky
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