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Using old serpentine belts to lift with....... #1420649
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I was at a buddies shop the other day and he was pulling an engine with a couple of old used serpentine belts. I was surprised they would hold that much. He had quite a few belts in different lengths hanging up on hooks and said he used them all the time.

I plan to pick up some at the local pick-a-part yard. They look handy as heck to lift stuff with.

Anyone else have any experience lifting with old serpentine belts?


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Re: Using old serpentine belts to lift with....... [Re: DaveRS23] #1420650
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Good plan if you're looking for a bad experience IMHO. String will work too and is on about the same scale common sense wise. Your buddy is going to make the evening news someday.

If you need to use that type of rigging, go to an industrial supply store and buy the proper nylon slings. They come in every size you can imagine.

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Re: Using old serpentine belts to lift with....... [Re: DaveRS23] #1420651
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Yes I have used old challenger V belts for lot's of things beside on a motor. No I wouldn't lift a motor with one but have lifted other stuff not as heavy with them. I'm still in the 70s, don't have any old serpentine belts around here.

Like my lawn mower. I have used them as tow straps too for around the yard. If they break, no biggie. I don't think any have broke yet?



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So Kevin, have you ever actually tried this?

Please read my question. I was asking for real world experiences, not opinions. Opinions without experience are simply guesses and often confuse the issue.

Worse yet, Kevin, your opinion is condescending. Why? I simply asked for experiences. You have none on this subject. But you feel compelled to belittle a question with your opinion and comments.

I would ask you to in the future to keep your lack of experience and lack of tact out of my posts. Your opinions are not more important than real experiences. Though you may think so.

This shop has used belts for years now without problems. So there is one set of positive experiences.

I will pick some old belts up the next few days. I have some engines laying around that I can use to see if they hold for me. I'll let you know.


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Re: Using old serpentine belts to lift with....... [Re: DaveRS23] #1420653
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I'm not doubting that they are strong enough to lift a motor, especially 2 per motor.

I've always used a piece of chain with bolt on ends and a lifting loop that can't slip on chain, on the lifting hook when I can't use a carb lifting plate.

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I've used them to lift bare blocks around the shop...nice to be able to slide them down cylinders without fear of scratches,,etc. Got the idea from a buddy who does it in his machine shop also....no problems.

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I've used them to lift bare blocks around the shop...nice to be able to slide them down cylinders without fear of scratches,,etc. Got the idea from a buddy who does it in his machine shop also....no problems.




Yes that why I started using them , no scratches.

Re: Using old serpentine belts to lift with....... [Re: DaveRS23] #1420656
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i use seat belt alot on stuff that you can't bolt a chain to, never saw a serpentine belt used.

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i've used seat belt in the picapart yard. i used an exhaust pipe across the fenders with a seat belt tied to it and around the water pump and pulled a k-frame out of a dart last year. the motor stayed in place. i was back at the same yard 2 weeks later and it was still hanging there.

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Hmmmm, wonder how much weight these belts would hold?

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Completely stupid and risky idea. After all the rubber has degraded enough that the belt was swapped out from its original use and purpose. It therefore has no tinsel strength and has stretched out because of its original usage. It is just a matter of time before complete failure and either serious or catastrophic injury. Just a bunch of Clowns and Knuckleheads would attempt to do something like this. And I do not care if you can post pics of them being used in such a fashion. It is still freakin...

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Completely stupid and risky idea. After all the rubber has degraded enough that the belt was swapped out from its original use and purpose. It therefore has no tinsel strength and has stretched out because of its original usage. It is just a matter of time before complete failure and either serious or catastrophic injury. Just a bunch of Clowns and Knuckleheads would attempt to do something like this. And I do not care if you can post pics of them being used in such a fashion. It is still freakin...




Come on! tell us how you really feel, out with it!

What about new one's? think then it would be alright?

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If I am too lazy to bring a chain I use seatbelt with a bow line knot. I also run 3" belts on my harley- sure you could tow a battleship with one, crimp it in a spot and it will fail in short order. I think they're similar to a roots blower belt.

Harley liked to show a full bike being lifted by one strand of their final drive belt material. Sure it's strong in tension, how bout being heated, bent back and forth, and exposed to rocks, dirt, and oil?

I'd probably use anything else first and I have a good collection of chains.

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I'm not doubting that they are strong enough to lift a motor, especially 2 per motor.

I've always used a piece of chain with bolt on ends and a lifting loop that can't slip on chain, on the lifting hook when I can't use a carb lifting plate.



I've used chains and had the bolt break. Was it safer?
Can't plan for everything


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Ive been using them for years to pick up transmissions

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Completely stupid and risky idea. After all the rubber has degraded enough that the belt was swapped out from its original use and purpose. It therefore has no tinsel strength and has stretched out because of its original usage. It is just a matter of time before complete failure and either serious or catastrophic injury. Just a bunch of Clowns and Knuckleheads would attempt to do something like this. And I do not care if you can post pics of them being used in such a fashion. It is still freakin...




Another unasked for opinion without any real experience. Complete with insults. Can you not state your position without name calling?

I'll ask you the same question I asked Kevin earlier; why is your inexperienced opinion more important than other people's actual experiences?

What makes you so sure that the belts are outside their useful life? What was their source? In other words, how did you arrive at that opinion? Like you did the other one?

To be perfectly honest, you know NOTHING of the condition or tensile strength of these belts.

Just to be clear here; I have not defended this use of these belts. I am just asking for people's REAL WORLD experiences with them. Good and bad. And it seems that the only people that are afraid of using serpentine belts to lift and pull are the ones that have no experience doing it what so ever. And they are also the same people that appear compelled to call names and sling insults.

Opinionated rants do not convince anyone of anything. That is just arguing, not sharing information.

Oh, and why did you capitalize clowns and knuckleheads?

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It sounds like you have already kind of made up your mind the answer that you want to hear, so why not just go ahead and use them?

Nylon rigging slings don't cost much, come in many sizes, and are actually designed and intended to hoist heavy, irregular sized objects. Serpentine belts aren't. Why take a chance for a few dollars?

A lot of people work under cars on hydraulic jacks and don't die--that doesn't make it a good idea.


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I'm not doubting that they are strong enough to lift a motor, especially 2 per motor.

I've always used a piece of chain with bolt on ends and a lifting loop that can't slip on chain, on the lifting hook when I can't use a carb lifting plate.



I've used chains and had the bolt break. Was it safer?
Can't plan for everything




I use flat pieces of steel with a hole in it on the end of my lifting chain they get bolted on to what ever I'm lifting, bolted tight, torqued tight. Your bolt will never break if you use them like that.
Never do I stick a bolt in a head or block and leave it stick out because it put's tons of stress on the part your lifting and the bolt. Torqued tight with flat piece of steel to whatever your lifting will never let you down.

Can you believe I don't have pictures ready?

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This is the exact design lifting chain I use. Only I made mine with a drill, cutting torch and welder 25+ years ago long before I saw them online. This type lifting chain bolted TIGHT to your engine will never fail.
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Re: Using old serpentine belts to lift with....... [Re: wingman] #1420668
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It sounds like you have already kind of made up your mind the answer that you want to hear, so why not just go ahead and use them?




I am really curious as to how you came to that conclusion.


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