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i am finally at the paint and body on my 68'coronet restoration, i bought a air inline sander, orbital sander, high speed sander, my question is i have a very old sears air compressor, about 30years old, i have gotten by till now with it, it is a 1hp, 12 gallon tank, 7.1 cfm at 40psi, 100 psi max, my problem is i went to harbour freight and bought all these air tools, when i try them on my compressor they just don't seem to work right, the inline sander will come on but as soon as you put pressure on it it stalls, is this my compressor, or is it the cheap air tools? if it is my compressor, what size do i need? budject priced
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Re: air tools
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10/26/08 10:46 PM
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You need a bigger air compressor. No lees than 30 Gallon. 60 is better. At least 8 - 10 CFM. I got my 60 galllon @ Home Depot for $400. It is advertised as 10.2 cfm @ 90 psi., 3.2 hp motor driving a single stage v-twin cast iron pump. It a Hausfeld Cambell and many will say to stay away from them but it serves me well.
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Re: air tools
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10/26/08 11:31 PM
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A 1hp compressor is pretty small. You have to rate cfm at the pressure you are using the tools at. X cfm at 40 has to be drerated at 90-120 PSI, so with wear and old age, you probably have about a 2cfm
Also make sure your hoses are large enough, and that the supply fittings aren't corroded/rusted/ plugged inside. 1/4 hose is too small for most anything, anymore.
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Re: air tools
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10/26/08 11:37 PM
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does it plug to a 110 outlet or 220 outlet?
Sorry. I left that out. 220v. You wouldn't want anything over 1hp at 110v. It would cost too much to run I would think
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Re: air tools
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Those tools need some CFM's and that ol craftsman is more suited for inflating tires and maybe an air hammer, but nothing continuous. check the CFM requirement on the sander, 5@90 is not going to happen on that 1 horse. You need at least a 2 horse.
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10/26/08 11:49 PM
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your not going to believe this, but i just went out and check the rating on posted on the front of the tank, it says 7.3 cfm at 40psi, 6.0cfm at 90psi, but it is 30years old, i do not think it is pushing this cfms, did they rate compressors different back then?
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10/26/08 11:59 PM
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Consider adding a large tank to your unit. UNLESS you are going to use those tools many hours a day ... that should work for you.
TRY the above ......
I needed HUGE air requirements ...... 125 psi at 20 cfm ... but only for short periods of time.
I used a top-of-the-line 5hp 2 stage compressor with almost 200 gallons of air storage. It worked great for me for 20 years.
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10/27/08 12:02 AM
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how do i add a tank to mine? i will try anything at this point, i do not have the 800.00 or 900.00 for a new compressor
I got my 60 gallon @ Home Depot for $400.
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10/27/08 01:51 AM
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For a long time my compressor was a 2 hp 110 v. Sears. it worked OK but had a lot of down time waiting for the tank to fill. The extra tank is a great way to cheat. Just plumb the outlet of our existing unit into the other tank and put an outlet in that line. There are new ones, but a good source is someone with a dead compressor head giving away the tank, Keep you eye on craiglist or local ads.
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10/27/08 02:22 AM
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I also got my 60 gal unit on sale from home depot. 220v is the way to go if you can swing it, you just can't get much more than around 5-6cfm @ 90psi out of a 110v unit(this sounds like about what yours was, back in it's day). Just can't make enough horsepower on a practical 110v unit to spin a large enough compressor. The entry level 220v 60 gallon units put out about twice that cfm, but have the tank capacity to run a larger tool for a long time. A small tank one like yours will run out of breath a lot sooner, but regardless, if you've got the proper line size, the tool should work fine at first, just after an amount of use, tank pressure will drop because the compressor can't keep up. I don't think you're going to be runing a DA sander with what you've got, even if you add in an extra tank. The smaller compressors work decently for intermittant use like an air nailer, and light air ratchet/impact wrench use, but not so good for constant output devices like angle grinders, paint guns, DA sanders, etc. Even with the add-on tank, use will be intermittant as you'll have to stop and wait for the tank to fill a bit so you can gain power back. The extra tank capacity gives you a longer usage time, but also a longer refill time.
I was in the same boat as you, did not want to spend all my dough on a new compressor, so I kept using my tired, leaking 13gal 110v unit until I finally just could not take it anymore. If you use tools made for your compressor's size, they work fine, but when you want to do more than your compressor can handle, it get irritating, very quickly. Lol, just try taking off a cylinder head with your impact and a smal compressor. Last time I got 6 bolts off before I just ran out of power and had to just put the gun down and let the 110v unit refill. No more of that for me.
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10/27/08 04:19 PM
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For a long time my compressor was a 2 hp 110 v. Sears. it worked OK but had a lot of down time waiting for the tank to fill. The extra tank is a great way to cheat. Just plumb the outlet of our existing unit into the other tank and put an outlet in that line. There are new ones, but a good source is someone with a dead compressor head giving away the tank, Keep you eye on craiglist or local ads.
That's the way to go. Find a shop with a dead/blown compressor, "useless" piece of equipment. Who cares about the pump, you just need the tank part of it. Plumb the outlet of your existing INTO the new "storage" tank, and use that outlet as the new outlet. Effectively, your running your tools off of the storage tank and the storage tank is filled from your compressor. Like sthemi said, it's a great cheat
Most any auto shop, wood shop will probably have a "dead" compressor laying around. Should be able to grab it for cheap; they may GIVE it to you just to "haul away". Just don't buy/grab one with a hole in the tank itself, or stripped fittings!!
Death or Glory...it's just another story.
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Re: air tools
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10/27/08 05:18 PM
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where do you buy the just the air tank?
I shopped around for a replacement air tank for a long time. New ones are 3/4 the cost of a new compressor most of the time. You can get a new 100# propane tank for around $80 here in Omaha at Menards. Thats about 30 or 40 gallons I think. You could go the used worn out compressor tank route but be very careful. Worn out compressors have put a lot of stress on the tank before they wore out. Specially if they didn't drained it as often as they should have. Could be rusted out on the inside. I don't mean to be a gloomy gus but a bad air tank its a time bomb. When it blows its bad news. Just no spectacular flames. Every air vessel has a finite lifetime. Eventually they do wear out. Hopefully they begin to leak a little first.
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10/27/08 09:23 PM
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Consider adding a large tank to your unit. UNLESS you are going to use those tools many hours a day ... that should work for you.
Nope, that won't work.
You need a much bigger compressor,220 volt to do body work. And you will wind up replacing most of those tools you bought from HF. You won't need the inline sander, so don't replace it. Long boards do the same job but better.
You can add tanks to your compressor till the cows come home, but you will never run a DA or any other air sander off of a 1HP single stage compressor,never. Sorry.
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